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18-11-2020, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ameliorate
I feel you have not understood what surrender means in spiritual development i.e. nothing to do with impoverishing our soul....quite the reverse!
It's the surrendering of ego - our mind control (as is experienced in meditation) so that we are more connected and affected/enriched by our soul.
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I do understand what you mean, and I am not done with my journey yet  one thing I learned about talking to different people from all walks of life we all have different definitions of the same thing. I believe we need a balance of a little bit of everything to remain healthy. To totally get rid of 100% of ego will leave us unprotected and off balance. We are hard wired with ego, it in our DNA. We're only human and we all have flaws. Your best to learn and except your flaws so you can build upon them.
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18-11-2020, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hallow
I do understand what you mean, and I am not done with my journey yet one thing I learned about talking to different people from all walks of life we all have different definitions of the same thing. I believe we need a balance of a little bit of everything to remain healthy. To totally get rid of 100% of ego will leave us unprotected and off balance. We are hard wired with ego, it in our DNA. We're only human and we all have flaws. Your best to learn and except your flaws so you can build upon them. |
This is yet another common misunderstanding about the ego. The ancient spiritual teachings speak of minimising the ego not getting rid of it! How could we anyway since it's how we interact with our world? Having too large an ego eclipses our soul....
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24-11-2020, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ameliorate
This is yet another common misunderstanding about the ego. The ancient spiritual teachings speak of minimising the ego not getting rid of it! How could we anyway since it's how we interact with our world? Having too large an ego eclipses our soul....
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In surrendering, what are you surrendering?... Ego/ mind control??
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24-11-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hallow
In surrendering, what are you surrendering?... Ego/ mind control??
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Yes...becoming receptive/open to a higher power to influence you.
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24-11-2020, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hallow
In surrendering, what are you surrendering?... Ego/ mind control??
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Just to be clearer - you would not be surrendering the control of your mind...
you would be surrendering letting the mind (your thoughts) control you. 
Also, for us meditators, surrendering your focus being on your thoughts only.
And we find when we get really deep ---
it is our very thoughts that are so precious to us ---giving them up 100% is the 'thing'... opening,
allowing, surrendering to the Love that is there, ever-present.:)
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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24-11-2020, 04:04 PM
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You're wrong.
Is about phasing your consciousness awareness and ego into other vehicles across the multi-dimensional spectrum of reality.
I have a big ego that I like, and I still went to the higher dimensions of reality by controlling my OBE's without anybodies help, and any effort at all.
This surrender & humble topic is just another limiting belief.
I know from personal experience that it's wrong.
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24-11-2020, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Just to be clearer - you would not be surrendering the control of your mind...
you would be surrendering letting the mind (your thoughts) control you.
Also, for us meditators, surrendering your focus being on your thoughts only.
And we find when we get really deep ---
it is our very thoughts that are so precious to us ---giving them up 100% is the 'thing'... opening,
allowing, surrendering to the Love that is there, ever-present.:) |
I apologise for being difficult on this topic. So... you don't let negative thoughts control you? Because if I didn't let my thoughts control me I wouldn't be asking you all these questions. Hahah because if your mind didn't have thoughts what would it be? Brain Dead?
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24-11-2020, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ScientificExplorer
You're wrong.
Is about phasing your consciousness awareness and ego into other vehicles across the multi-dimensional spectrum of reality.
I have a big ego that I like, and I still went to the higher dimensions of reality by controlling my OBE's without anybodies help, and any effort at all.
This surrender & humble topic is just another ****** limiting belief.
I know from personal experience that it's wrong & ****
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Always mention who you're directing your response to, Thanks.
As you can see we have filters on unacceptable words.
Children or 'young people' actually read here.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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24-11-2020, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ScientificExplorer
You're wrong.
Is about phasing your consciousness awareness and ego into other vehicles across the multi-dimensional spectrum of reality.
I have a big ego that I like, and I still went to the higher dimensions of reality by controling my OBE's without anybodies help, and any effort at all.
This surrender & humble topic is just another ****** limiting belief.
I know from personal experience that it's wrong & ****
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This is a very odd attitude on a spiritual forum. Reveling in ego, rejecting surrender and humility and expressed with disdain and thinly veiled profanity. It seems to me it's the diametric opposite of spiritual. |
24-11-2020, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hallow
I apologise for being difficult on this topic. So... you don't let negative thoughts control you?
Because if I didn't let my thoughts control me I wouldn't be asking you all these questions. Hahah because if your mind didn't have thoughts what would it be? Brain Dead?
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Asking questions isn't being difficult.
I was referring to deep meditation remember. Stillness. Silence.
However, if I let MY thoughts control me I'd be in a heap of trouble....random thoughts floating in making me wanna
pour oil based paint on someone's car...not good. Worse when it's a convertible!
Or simply swirling me down onto a pit of fear, worry and depression?
No, thanks.
I have practiced Thought Control for over a decade...I'm not letting unwanted thoughts in my head anymore.
(You find they get WAY less after awhile ---you're no fun to play with.)
There is a saying: Y ou may not be able to control the birds that fly overhead, but you certainly can control whether one makes a nest in your hair.
Unwanted thoughts? Are just like an unwanted TV program - you just switch the channel...you don't let
the TV control what you watch, Right?
When I first heard of this concept ...I was all, 'What?
Control my thoughts --thus, my emotions? Huh?'
So I get it...thinking we are our silly random thoughts...taking us for a ride like a leaf in the wind.
No more for me.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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