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Old 27-04-2019, 06:26 AM
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So I just had a look at the haiku wikipage, I thought I remembered that haiku wasn't this easy, and lo and behold there were more 'rules'. Not sure I will adhere to them, but maybe someone else is interested.

Short version:
Haiku is a very short form of Japanese poetry in three phrases, typically characterized by three qualities:

1. The essence of haiku is "cutting" (kiru).
This is often represented by the juxtaposition of two images or ideas and a kireji ("cutting word") between them, a kind of verbal punctuation mark which signals the moment of separation and colours the manner in which the juxtaposed elements are related.

2. Traditional haiku often consist of 17 on (also known as morae though often loosely translated as "syllables"), in three phrases of 5, 7, and 5 on, respectively.[3]

3. A kigo (seasonal reference), usually drawn from a saijiki, an extensive but defined list of such terms.

Long version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku

Guess I'm gonna read some examples and try again... :)
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Old 27-04-2019, 06:40 AM
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Trying to rewrite a short poem I just posted:

Floating now
Hands in cherry blossom trees
Ground never leaves me.

(Oh now I got confused by the japanes way of counting 'word sounds' rather than syllables... Fe-lo-ting Ne-ow... - and counted that way ONLY in the first line, hahah oh fun and random, sorry)
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Old 27-04-2019, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Realm Ki
Trying to rewrite a short poem I just posted:

Floating now
Hands in cherry blossom trees
Ground never leaves me.

(Oh now I got confused by the japanes way of counting 'word sounds' rather than syllables... Fe-lo-ting Ne-ow... - and counted that way ONLY in the first line, hahah oh fun and random, sorry)

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Old 27-04-2019, 06:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Realm Ki
Trying to rewrite a short poem I just posted:

Floating now
Hands in cherry blossom trees
Ground never leaves me.

(Oh now I got confused by the japanes way of counting 'word sounds' rather than syllables... Fe-lo-ting Ne-ow... - and counted that way ONLY in the first line, hahah oh fun and random, sorry)

Japanese Haiku counts `on' sound, which is somewhat equivalent to syllables in English.
They use 5-7-5 rules with 'on' sound.
Nonetheless, we are talking about two extremely different languages.

Btw, I know nothing about Japanese except how to say Thank you.
But I trust Google search.
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Old 27-04-2019, 09:26 PM
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I trust google too, and I don't mean to say it should be something else than syllables. For myself though, i'm already playing with 'a japanese way of expressing words' so it is close at hand for me to carry the playfulness into the poems of course.... For the experience of it.

What I like about that, my 'japponification' of syllable count is that the lines get shorter. The japanese haikus I found as examples are quite a bit shorter than ours. Just another way to play, nothing serious at all. I'll keep it in my own thread to avoid confusion <3

But the other things were interesting, no? The point about a seasonal word, and about two words, often concrete and everyday, bound together with a 'cutting mark', which was tricky to even grasp what that was...

- - -
Drops of snow rising
Pushing frost leaves now aside
Freezing toes sneezing
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Old 28-04-2019, 05:36 AM
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Old 28-04-2019, 02:44 PM
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I trust google too, and I don't mean to say it should be something else than syllables. For myself though, i'm already playing with 'a japanese way of expressing words' so it is close at hand for me to carry the playfulness into the poems of course.... For the experience of it.

What I like about that, my 'japponification' of syllable count is that the lines get shorter. The japanese haikus I found as examples are quite a bit shorter than ours. Just another way to play, nothing serious at all. I'll keep it in my own thread to avoid confusion <3

But the other things were interesting, no? The point about a seasonal word, and about two words, often concrete and everyday, bound together with a 'cutting mark', which was tricky to even grasp what that was...

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Drops of snow rising
Pushing frost leaves now aside
Freezing toes sneezing

I guess that the reason why actual Japanese Haiku is shorter is one word can mean a whole sentence in English. Same with Chinese.

I have to Google about seasonal word, two words, etc.. My Google did not mention anything about that.
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