Indigenous Spirit of All colors

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Whoa.
Very impressive sounds. I am highly interested and will be searching out more
of this type of ear candy.

South Americans really go town on these wind instruments

How inner-childlike, innocent, light and playful and how soulful, haunting and ‘trippy’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWjOaZFXo3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-f_Q79dnag

Discovering a new dimension here, just like with your Carnyx ImthatIm.

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Originally Posted by sentient

More on the subject:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id...manism&f=false
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I have been skimming the book excerpt provided on your link.
It is very interesting to read the symbiotic relationship of the Wolf and Deer.
It makes total sense to me, when looking at nature and the reciprocal relationship
between hunter/Wolf and Hunted/Deer.


Then on pg. 360 of your link I read: "Tukari, the Moon goddess, is in the state of becoming Spider."
I like the correlation with the Spider and the Moon and their many phases in Life.Also both have virtually invisible glowing silk like radiations.


It makes me want to play a clay flute to the Moon.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Above EXCERPT from post #801

I have been skimming the book excerpt provided on your link.
It is very interesting ......

That book is very, very interesting and it sparks all kinds of associations …
Knew there had to be a red, yellow, white and a blue wolf; - just had to find references to it and I think the writer is right, this is about archaic form of shamanism, Mesoamericans, Huichols etc. have kept.

The use of the magic cords – that’s archaic.
(Full blood Aborigines have both Siberian and Amerind dna, South American???).
The labyrinths – those are archaic.
Chakana – that is an old, old symbol … (the mysterious 5th point).
"Spider Mother" - another very archaic symbolism ...
Pyramids – we didn’t have pyramids, - why not?
Hang on – what is this
https://www.apparentlyapparel.com/ne...ld-as-egyptian
We did!?

I attribute these to our first Siberian ancestors from Far North East:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ymyyakhtakh_culture
..... whose genetic legacy we still carry (I have posted this before), and it is from them that we perhaps have got this dna affinity with the Mayans.
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ancien...identical.html

These Ancestors who perhaps also introduced us to Fly Agaric use.

Page 295
Wolf shamanism – Fly Agaric
This is a red mushroom with white spots.
They use these mushrooms in all their ceremonies.
They say this is their peyote, but it is not their peyote. I tried some of it, just a little bit. It didn’t feel like peyote, it felt different. I was off the ground like I was in a gentle wind and that lifted me off the ground.
When I eat peyote, I can touch the ground, but with this I couldn’t.

Ha ha Santa and his reindeer, but we knew this already.

A Skolt Saami wolf (shamanism) story:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23343099


Do wolves teach telepathy – I think so.
Dingoes - absolutely, definitely!
And then you really do not know whether you are ‘speaking’ to a human in a dingo form or if you are a dingo in a human form.

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[sentient]

North American indigenous peoples seem to see themselves as wayyyyyy different and apart from other indigenous peoples on the planet – and I think they are right.

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[sentient]

Did the Casino tour – for and against and a bit of history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rflqv5f-HuA
Had no idea most of tribes had them.

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Meanwhile in Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf5mWzUqjxo

Oz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-kxHEzSo1o

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Originally Posted by sentient

North American indigenous peoples seem to see themselves as wayyyyyy different and apart from other indigenous peoples on the planet – and I think they are right.

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Do you care to expand?

Originally Posted by sentient

Did the Casino tour – for and against and a bit of history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rflqv5f-HuA
Had no idea most of tribes had them.

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Meanwhile in Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf5mWzUqjxo

Oz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-kxHEzSo1o

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Yep, I know these troubles.
I am against them.
The casino could be the worst one of all, since it is like a sneaky greed machine that can strips away decency and personal responsibility.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Do you care to expand?

I think that finally, the penny dropped …

Animal imitations (gran was excellent at that), clay bird whistles … and I am back in my childhood.

& that video about the mystic music of Maya … sheesh, the drum is there, the animal sounds, the instruments. They are all individually, uniquely and ‘separately’ present, yet together they form this underlying, unspoken ‘unity’. (Do you know what I mean?) To me that is very ‘shamanic’. LOVE IT.

This sure isn’t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ANYifk-rXE
(but I didn’t realize he was honouring his Indo-European ancestry).
I mean it is so beautiful and all, but it no-way echoes shamanism, how I understand it.

& that book …. I have only read little bits of it, but it really resonates …
“For hunting people, the animal is in many ways superior.” Exactly!
The book mentioned “owners’ of the deer, species … They must mean the, what we call Guardian Spirit “Owners” of species?

How the music, the different things they say, all reflect and echo the ‘shamanic worldview’, which got me all excited and elated.

It made me recall conversation attempts with some North Amerinds:

Shamanism - "Shamanism" is not Native American, we do not have shame-ans”. -Huh?
Animism – “We do not have animism!” – Huh?
Totems – “New age lolol” https://i.pinimg.com/236x/96/8d/3f/9...tiger-mask.jpg
– Huh? Hang on …. But, but …
Salish Coast!? Our ancient culture had been paralleled with Salish Coast … - No, our culture is wayyyy different! Wannabee!*^$#)*XX%#&**&$%^^ - Huh, what is a wannabee?

But if I drop the negative experiences attitude, it really does seem we are very different.
Yet in Oz I found so many similarities, I felt “right at home.”

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[sentient]

Indigenousness of Indo-European “Aryans”.

Here is the old situation as I understand it:
https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5647...ef020_orig.jpg

WHG (Western-Hunter-Gatherers)
Those that during the Ice Age lived in Franco-Iberian Refugium.
WHGs are related to EHGs (Eastern-Hunter-Gatherers), who were the Mammoth hunters of the Steppe and travelled far and wide and mixed with ANEs (Ancient-North-Eurasians, the ancestors of Amerinds, especially South Amerinds. WHGs do not have ANE admixture).

SHGs (Scandinavian-Hunter-Gatherers) are a mixture of WHG and EHG.

My closest ancient is the topmost EHG, which according to some calculations is:
http://abload.de/img/ehg5ezl5.png
Hence perhaps also the comparison with American Northwest Coast (?)

By comparison, the modem Boreal zone cultures of Siberia seem relatively simple (with the exception of the Yakuts). Far from resembling these, the most convincing ethnographic parallel to Oleneostrovski society, and indeed to the late Mesolithic period in Karelia as a whole, might well be the complex cultures of the American Northwest Coast.

In those days, there were no Karelians nor Saami. We were just HGs, belonging to a “Swan cult” in that area.

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Ok. Now about the Indo-Europeans and Yamnaya.

Indo-Europeans are a mixture of indigenous EGHs and CHGs (Caucasian-Hunter-Gatherers) and ANEs, who then became Steppe pastoralists, herders … where as we in the North stayed as Forest Zone HGs, living in the ‘Cosmic Womb or the Womb of the Creator’.

Now when it becomes to Yamnaya-dna, we actually carry maybe the most or next to most of it, because the largest component of IE-dna is EHG.
But we are no “Noble Aryans”. We did not become hierarchical, but as HGs stayed egalitarian.

From a HG to pastoralist/herder, there was a mentality change and people became more warlike, patriarchal, whatnot … just like there will probably be a mentality change with the Casinos.

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Then a 1000 years later, we became assimilated and mixed with Siberians up North.
IEs try to say Saami isn’t indigenous, the EHGs are. But who is closest to those EHGs, Kola-Saami are (Baltics like Lithuanians should be here, & maybe Celts were/are more like them):
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...3f6efca3622727

People calling themselves indigenous vs. invaders ..
No-one cares about the “we were here first” argument, land goes to the one that fights for it.…
British Empire, the extension of Indo-European expansion spreading around the world. Grab what you can and invent along the way …

… is the opinion of the
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZA...eQUMd84GDc26EA
and he is loving it!
I don’t know – I still like him lolol. At least with him stating his opinions so straight, you know where you stand.

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Originally Posted by sentient

This sure isn’t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ANYifk-rXE
(but I didn’t realize he was honouring his Indo-European ancestry).
I mean it is so beautiful and all, but it no-way echoes shamanism, how I understand it.

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Oh yeah. That music maybe should have been called "Shaman calling a lover".