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13-07-2021, 12:39 PM
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sentient
I bumped into this:
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The origin stories of some Northwest Coast tribes, such as the Quileute and the Kwakiutl, tell of their first ancestors being transformed from wolves into men.
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Quote taken from the below link:
http://www.native-languages.org/legends-wolf.htm
P.S. Quileute is one of my favorite words to say.
here is the tribes website. https://quileutenation.org/
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13-07-2021, 04:41 PM
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Master
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Of course I had seen the tv-series “Twilight”, but thought it to be just American fantasy nonsense. Well, which it is.
But what is it with Indo-Europeans and vampires? Must be some subconscious symbolism they project.
I assume, the White Buffalo (as a good omen), is a bit similar to Saami White Reindeer (a manifestation of the Reindeer Deity), but of course the Western (Indo-European) take on it is, that if the reindeer is your totem, you are of vampire blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfwXXpOm7I
And if one is wolf totemic one must be is a werewolf ....
Like sheesh – come on – get to know where ‘your’ subconscious projections are coming from!
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Last edited by sentient : 13-07-2021 at 05:38 PM.
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13-07-2021, 06:05 PM
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sentient
Maybe you will enjoy this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-a8uuLUQio
I imagine the vampire stories come from a type of fear culture.IDK
Maybe a old reality from the cave culture and bats.
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13-07-2021, 06:41 PM
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sentient
I think your white reindeer vid. smells of Christian prejudice.At least to me.
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14-07-2021, 08:55 AM
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Master
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Yep. One fears that which one does not understand and then mind conjures up all these scary fantasies. Which makes me think the early priests were shadow-boxing … fighting their own projections (or demons).
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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
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I am struggling with this video.
He seems to be mixing and matching cultures and time periods which had nothing to do with each other. The Horse Goddess is Indo-European.
"Native British wolf chant":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq44JT4GRC0
Western Hunter Gatherers were the natives of Europe. ALL Europeans have WHG genes.
Did they/we have ‘wolf chants’ … who knows. Did they have the earliest form of Shamanism, I think so.
His background:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJxS4MVR7_k
Eliade in that book writes mainly about Siberian Shamanism. Druids I trust were Indo-European, not native WHG Europeans & not Siberian …
I like this guy - a proud Britt but he doesn’t pretty history and tells it like it is/was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLgbgHYohg
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14-07-2021, 09:26 AM
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Master
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14-07-2021, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sentient
I am struggling with this video.
He seems to be mixing and matching cultures and time periods which had nothing to do with each other. The Horse Goddess is Indo-European.
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No need to struggle. I was more so pointing to the Horse which would then point to the Yamnaya.
But my real focus is on the Horse and Man, which had to be a break through technology which led to advantages/dominance over other non-Horse riding/hearding cultures.
The Horse was such a powerful transformational and symbiotic relationship, that some Turtle Island Natives appropriated the Horse riding culture.(See what I did there with appropriating culture?)
Though, at the time I was listening to the song of the Horse Goddess by Greywolf I/we had just viewed the hobbyist Pow WOW Germans.
So I remember thinking at least Greywolf was dealing with the correct Continent and traditions.
Which leads me to have respect for that more than the pow WOW hobbyists appropriators.
I believe it is high time cultures and races share in Thanksgiving of each others cultures and Life or we can tear it all down.
To me it seems to be a coin toss in this time and space of Creation as to which way it will go.
Though, I am just a 5 fingered, two legged Human Being with a Red blooded Heart who will share all my gifts
from Creation as "Spirit Design" permits, hopefully out of Love and commitment.
(I certainly did appropriate your saying "Spirit Design" because I like it and find it useful.)
I Pray we all choose Thanksgiving of Creation.
Look at me all rambling on. LOL
I usually delete my long ramblings, but I'll let this one ride.
Plus: I'll add that I am always wrong before I am right so that makes me perfectly imperfect.
sentient, let me thank you for stretching my inquiries of various subjects.
Sometimes it is hard looking at certain things but it is worth sorting through stuff.
So, Thank You.
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14-07-2021, 09:03 PM
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I find it interesting because i am a Celt WALES IRELAND AND SCOTLAND are the celtic Nation,
The irish were known for their red hair.a lot of scotland to. the Welsh are very dark haired
The english there is a deep Hatred there from the celts.
Even today it goes on.
Namaste
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14-07-2021, 09:46 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I was more so pointing to the Horse which would then point to the Yamnaya.
But my real focus is on the Horse and Man, which had to be a break through technology which led to advantages/dominance over other non-Horse riding/hearding cultures.
The Horse was such a powerful transformational and symbiotic relationship, that some Turtle Island Natives appropriated the Horse riding culture.
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Yes. The Western Hunter Gatherers ate all them wild horses, until they went extinct. They did not domesticate them, or any other animal, except maybe the wolf for hunting. Only the Early Neolithic Farmers (who built the Stonehenge) brought in livestock – as I recall.
Wasn’t it the Comanche, who ‘appropriating the horse-riding culture’ started to dominate the plains, expanding their territories? That – to the Indo-European psyche is the image of a real Indian, I suppose, the one they greatly admire(d) and saw as an equal to “white man”.
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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
So I remember thinking at least Greywolf was dealing with the correct Continent and traditions.
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And I thought he was perpetuating the myth, that Celts and Druids were the Indigenous to Europe, the same way the Mesolithic La Brana and the Cheddar Man were. Though all of us are of course to a certain %.
If Greywolf wants to find a connection with injuns, it isn’t found in him insisting Celts are Native Europeans. For that, he needs to hop on his horse (and cart) & think his way back to his Yamnaya roots, because “Ancient North Eurasian” DNA (we share with Amerinds) was not found in the Western-Hunter-Gatherers nor in the Early Neolithic Farmers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien..._in_Europe.jpg
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15-07-2021, 10:50 PM
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Master
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As bizarre as the European Amerind hobbyists are, I also think it bizarre for Druids to claim Stonehenge as theirs.
I am not NAFPS, but ignoring history - this just cannot be right.
Was first alerted to this, by the Druid Priestess:
https://www.elenadanaan.com/about
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I honour the heritage of my maternal great grandmothers from the Baltic island of Gotland, where magic interweaves the traditions of Saami and Norse cultures since time immemorial.
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Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer was admixture of Eastern and Western Hunter Gatherers, and Gotland most definitely IS ‘magical’- and genetically ‘we’ at that time were quite homogenous in Fennoscandia, but ‘Saami’ or ‘Norse’ as cultural identities did not exist then.
There is no such thing as ‘Saami’ identity form Gotland.
This Druidism really goes into fantasy lands, where anything goes and can be mixed and matched.
One cannot marry Druid hierarchical priestly class with Siberian Shamanism – they are totally different cultures, belonging to different peoples, with different 'Reality Orientations'.
Druid sweat lodge ceremony is also derived from Lakota ceremony & this simply cannot be right either… :
https://books.google.com.au/books?id...monies&f=false
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This is a horrible story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRXXvm-zKTY
Interesting:
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“The Comanche and the Horse are the children of the Sun”
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– which is very Indo-European notion or belief, the Comanches intuitively, I trust, got ‘right’.
So how could they have slaughtered all the horses …
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Last edited by sentient : 16-07-2021 at 04:44 AM.
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