🥳FAITH VS BELIEF🥳

[BigJohn]

Lets talk about Faith and how it interacts with our beliefs.

Also, lets talk about how they are similar and how they are different.

Everybody seems to have beliefs but do they also have Faith?

Discuss.

[FallingLeaves]

one is a conception of how things are; the other is an understanding things will be taken care of sometimes despite how things seem.

Often these things are tied into our wants out of life.

For example, to say there is a point I don't want to go beyond because it will be bad for me (read for getting what I want) is a belief; to say I will go beyond that point anyway because it will work out in some way i cannot fathom and even may never understand is faith.

Personally I don't want to deal with either of those two... they are as bad as hope.

I just want my life back.

To me, both are different, one intemporal, the other conditionning (of the first, sometimes). Although I resonate with FallingLeaves' first sentence.

The second I don't : beliefs are tied to our wants, faith is there in anyone, for some unknowingly. Beliefs can be anything really, no need to mention anything in particular, but faith generally have "common groups". As in, faith in world peace, faith in COVID's end, faith that a loved one is "taken care of" even if we can't necessarily see it that way, simply faith in humanity... We're all the same, spiritually "advanced" or "not". We all have things we care about.

Faith is when you stop flailing your arms around, as if you were your own god, and let yourself be, accepting that when the time comes for you to act, you'll know what to do, and in the mean time work on yourself. You'll know what to do either because of beliefs, or not. One is not necessary for the other. But one thing is very clear to me : we all have beliefs of our own to begin with. The difference lies there : faith or belief, which prevails in ourselves ? Core or Surface ?

Beliefs tell you what to do/how to live your life, and guide your faith at the same time. Faith that "I will go to heaven if I follow commandments", for example. That being said, it's not true for everyone.

FallingLeaves, as scary as novelty can be, "forward" is the way to go. In the mean time, please accept my support for what you are going through

BigJohn, I am curious about the interchanging factors of faith and beliefs you mentionned in your "IS INTERFAITH VIABLE". Oh, curious to learn, that is !

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Madamedude

FallingLeaves, as scary as novelty can be, "forward" is the way to go. In the mean time, please accept my support for what you are going through

thank you for your kind words

[yasha]

Belief is what you think. Faith is what you feel.

[Native spirit]

I would agree with Yasha


Namaste

[snowyowl]

Originally Posted by Native spirit

I would agree with Yasha
Namaste

Me too, puts it very neatly. Also I'd add that belief feels like holding on, whereas faith feels like letting go.

[yasha]

Another way of putting it: I believe planes can fly but I have faith that if I board this plane it will not only fly but also land safely. Compare this to: I believe the ice is thick enough to walk on but I don't have faith enough to risk my life.