Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by ScorpioRising

It's not only in Christianity.
Islam teaches its followers that women will form the majority of the people of Hell.

How can people believe such a thing, it's ridiculous.

The Buddhist's Hells are many and vast. It would be interesting to find out which religion has more Hells?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

Adam, spelled with a lower case, which is how Jews write, means tribe or nation. adam represents all men and Eve all women.
As universal parents, A & E are good examples as they show that life without knowledge is not the best choice.
No fairy tale has ever created the harm to society than the Eden fairy tale has.

Regards
DL

When did Hebrew get a lower case alphabet?

[Altair]

Lets say Eve did sin, as the first one. Lets say it was beyond any doubt.

Would you accept that?

Nah, I guess not. You would not accept that.... you just can't.

(Also, weren't you banned? Like 5x or something already..)

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

Was Adam born alone or first?
If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?
Satan is depicted in part as a woman.
Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

Read the Ennuma Elish, on which much of Genesis is based. Adam (Sumerian Adammu, which means 'first man') was created first and woman was made from one of his ribs - which is mythologically why males have one less rib. He was made in "our likeness" - the plural God refers to the Annunaki and the pre-Abrahmic God was Enlil - who created the flood and didn't like their creations very much. The angel/messenger who told Noah to build the Ark and told Jacob not to kill his son - amongst other similar tales most likely - is Enki, who took a shine to mankind.

Incidentally, the Mayans' creation myths are very similar and they also have their deluge tales.

'Satam' is Enki's title, it means 'Administrator'. The interaction between God and Satan in the early Bible and the Garden of Eden - which was a real place by the way - was a depiction of the Sumerian tales of Enlil/God vs Enki. The female of the tale is most likely Nammu, who was mother of both Enlil/God and Enki/Satam/Satan.

In the Garden of Eden Enlil wanted to keep the creations subservient and ignorant, essentially a slave race that wouldn't rebel. Enki/Satan - who later became the inspiration for the Greek Prometheus - wanted them to be conscious. Hence the Tree of Knowledge, aka consciousness, and the apple that represents individuated consciousness. And when Adam took a bite of the apple he was conscious that he was naked. I guess if Enlil/Yahweh had punished Enki/Satan then Nammu would have had something to say, so he took it out on created Eve instead - she who had disobeyed him. It's interesting that God/gods are surprisingly human, perhaps we were created in their likeness after all.

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

The serpent is shown as female. This is important to the Christian misogyny.

Not just that. Yes, misogyny is rife throughout the Bible but there's more to the snake symbolism. In most other cultures the snake is a 'good guy' - think of the twin snakes that are twisted around the Caduceus that's often associated with doctors and health in general. To the Hopi Indians and a few more, they were the Watchers of the earth, the idea there was that because they were in touch with the earth they could feel its vibrations better. Christianity seems to be the only one that doesn't like snakes very much.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

There was an angelic situation involving Adam.
He wasn't like us, who are a result of the Fall.

There was no fall. The Sumerian word Annunaki translates to 'Those, who from the heavens, came.' It was a choice. The word 'angel' is based on the Sumerian word 'El', which means Shining One - as in the Elohim of Genesis, which is another Sumerian word. Also as in the names of the archangels. And there are some 495 other cultures across time and history who told of Shining Ones. The Sanskrit root word div/devi also means Shining One.

In the wider context there seems to be a worldwide phenomena that was going on at that time which nobody seems to want to know about, and the Bible and Christianity was only a part of it. Noah's flood wasn't the only account account either, and the tales of the Mayans only differ geographically.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

The scripture says Eve is based upon Adam.

Made from his rib, in the Bible. Some have interpreted this is as genetic manipulation by the Annunaki.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Things changed after the Fall, as intended by the devil.
I believe it is involved with the Triune Brain Theory.

The devil is a fear-based control mechanism, the post-Constantine Christians were particularly good at those. They could have adapted Zarathustra's God and Ahura Mazda/devil when the Persians invaded, but Enki was the original devil/Satan.

Oh, and Abraham's God was Marduk.

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Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

It's a story written by someone determined to take control as a Chief Rabbi. There are members here who will reinterpret the story more mystically but I suppose the Adam and Eve story was intended to explain the beginning to a simple people.

The first mention of God in Genesis is 'Elohim' which is either a grammatical error or has a deeper meaning than just 'God'. However, the serpent (in the hidden version) is wisdom. It's about the Tree of Life and the Tree of knowledge (2:9) (that some believe are the same tree), said to be about the downfall of 'man', thrown to the bottom of this metaphorical tree and having to learn to climb it to become good enough to walk with God again.

It's a bit more complicated than that but I'm trying to save forum space! I'd suggest reading The Ladder of Lights by William Grey for an esoteric account (as a start, anyway as there are many related books, the Torah, the Zohar, heavy going to say the least etc).

The Old Testament seems misogynistic because the priesthood teachings were exclusively the province of men. In fact one of Jesus' 'sins' was revealing mysteries to Mary Magdalene.
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Originally Posted by Lorelyen

The Old Testament seems misogynistic because the priesthood teachings were exclusively the province of men. In fact one of Jesus' 'sins' was revealing mysteries to Mary Magdalene.
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How doers that saying go, something about "Behind every great man is a great woman?" Jesus was no exception, outside of the Bible of course.

[FairyCrystal]

Adam was created together with Lilith, from the same clay.
But Adam demanded her to be submissive as she was only a woman. Since they were truly equal, Lilith refused and when Adam didn't let up demanding her submission, she left. Only to be vilified for that.
Then Eve came as his second partner.

Personally I only see this as either a story that depicts how the imbalance between man & woman came to be, or as a warning to women that they better be submissive or else!
Eve eaten the forbidden fruit... a nice story to put in people's head to illustrate woman is to blame for bad things happening because they do not obey.
Again a brutal reminder that we women have to be submissive as we're unworthy and cannot handle responsibility on our own.

I wonder how mankind would've evolved if the bible would tell the story of Adam & Lilith, equals, and thus give us the story & example that man & woman are equal. I think we would be a whole different, more loving and balanced species today.