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Old 15-02-2021, 01:10 AM
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A Little About God and Satan

A Little About God and Satan

There is a more elemental way of describing this. One which leaves out any need for personalities. Consider the universes, all of them, the multitude of spiritual (subtle) and the physical too. Visualize them all with the highest degree of "oneness" as being the principle attribute of the very highest level. Now visualize the physical, in this case our Earth as the expression furthermost from that ideal. All of these no matter where on the scale they may be are sorted into strict levels of activity. The oneness that was mentioned may also be thought of as being the most unified or least divided. Then it follows that here on Earth we find the least oneness the highest degree of separation.

Now the good part. Good and evil are merely expressions of these. Essential goodness is the same as elemental oneness. Essential evil is the same as the highest degree of separation. How do these find expression? Well we humans think in terms of our minds. We tend to personalize such philosophical matters. In this case we refer to the highest degree of oneness as being embodied in God. The highest degree of separation then is embodied in Satan. This is all it is. Through religions we find these ideas dressed up in ways that will appeal to the proponents of any of those. This, again, is the way the human mind works. We are comfortable doing this. This is the great value of religions. The great truths they express are stepped down and colored in ways that we can easily understand. After we return to the higher heavens we will find that there are no longer any religions. This is because now we have left the Earth, and it's limitations, behind. We understand at last.

There is another idea here. God vs Satan. Satan serves at the pleasure of God. He has only that power which is allowed him. He does not compete with God on any high level but only on the lower levels where we all are. We thus seem to believe that Satan has more power than he really does. If we were to raise ourselves up higher into the spiritual worlds at a certain point we would find ourselves above the realms where Satan had any influence at all. Indeed neither Satan nor any other dark force has access to these lands of glory.

There is one more thing that may be of interest here. It is regarding time. In the lower realms time is the familiar measure of events. But as we ascend higher and higher we will find that time slows. This is because time is not a principle but an effect of matter. The more dense the matter the faster time flows. As we raise up into the higher spiritual worlds (dimensions, universes, planes) we find that the matter of those planes, the spiritual matter (not physical matter) is less and less substantial. So... time, when compared to here on Earth slows. At the very highest level where the great creative force (God) is time has slowed to a stop. This plane is truly timeless. Now here is the interesting part. We are often presented with the question which is: If we have free will how can it be that God already knows how we will choose? The answer is simple. We are using our free will here in the lowest plane where time is fast. God, though, is on the timeless plane. From God's perspective there is no time at all. God is timeless. For God there is only the present. This is the reason why it is sometimes reported that God simple "is". "Before Abraham was, I am" is another quote which speaks of this. So as we, immersed in the flow of time are busy making our decisions in life, God sees past, present and future as "now". This is why God knows all. The only difficulty in accepting this is caused by our human minds which are also bound by time. Our rational minds cannot fully comprehend timelessness because they are necessarily designed to be used in the lower planes. Should we be wary of Satan? Yes. Should we fear him? No. Evil feeds on fear. Be fearless and be free.

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Old 16-02-2021, 12:37 AM
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Is it reasonable to be scared of making a living? Is this a relevant or appropriate question in this context?

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Old 16-02-2021, 12:45 AM
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No. There is enough fear in the world without us adding to it with our own.


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Is it reasonable to be scared of making a living? Is this a relevant or appropriate question in this context?

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Old 16-02-2021, 01:16 AM
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It's not reasonable to be fearful re: making a living. Noted. Thanks.
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Old 16-02-2021, 09:54 AM
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I was thinking of how it is that Satan was walking among the angels and stood before God yet "no man can see God and live". Was he truly cast out when Christ was crucified or are those simply images of how certain thoughts will stand before consciousness and are ultimately disposed of as the individual transforms, transcends, or whatever word you wanna use.
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Old 16-02-2021, 10:22 AM
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A parable is also a metaphor but we don't seem to mind Jesus using this method to impart a truth. "Satan" is no more than the personification of the separation which exists in the lower planes of creation, especially the physical, ethereal and lower astral. At the low end of the spectrum of separation is the Darkness personified by Satan. At the higher end is the Light personified by God. We humans understand concepts like this one when the metaphor of a person is devised. So.... Satan now becomes an Angel who fell from grace. We can understand this because we can draw parallels to our own lives. It is the same with our insistence on calling the great creative force the "Father" or Jesus as the "Son of God". All these titles are conveniences which satisfy our need for familiarity. Behind all the stories are great truths but shall we use obscure esoteric terms when speaking to the everyman? No. What does it matter?

When Jesus went into the desert just before he began his open ministry he is said to have been tempted by Satan. This, too, is a metaphor. What really happened was that Jesus fought with his lower, separated human nature. He was fearful. Should he abandon his mission or not? in the end he accepted his fate. When he came forth he was still Jesus the man but now he was also the ordained representative of the Christ on Earth. Jesus was now the annointed one. But is this event easier for ordinary people to understand when it is simplified into "Jesus was tempted by Satan"? Yes. This is the reason stories are so often used to impart truths.



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I was thinking of how it is that Satan was walking among the angels and stood before God yet "no man can see God and live". Was he truly cast out when Christ was crucified or are those simply images of how certain thoughts will stand before consciousness and are ultimately disposed of as the individual transforms, transcends, or whatever word you wanna use.

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OMG...that first post in green from Bartholomew was the BEST!!!!
Every sentence.
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Old 16-02-2021, 03:12 PM
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Nicely said,

More on perception of time from special relativity.



The more we become (identify as) light instead of matter the more the time difference between the self identified as matter and the Self identified as light becomes infinite.

As v, the relative speed of energy we identify to, becomes that of light (matter speed v = 0, pure light v = c) the more this equation becomes a division by 0 witch is equal to the infinite.

At the speed of light times stops and we are all made of light in some part even in our physical bodies.

On another note, matter is just light encapsulated creating inertia. This inertia could be given the Name of Satan if we where to give the Name of God to Light.

In this way of thinking, Satan helps God to have the illusion of seeing Itself.

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There is one more thing that may be of interest here. It is regarding time. In the lower realms time is the familiar measure of events. But as we ascend higher and higher we will find that time slows. This is because time is not a principle but an effect of matter. The more dense the matter the faster time flows. As we raise up into the higher spiritual worlds (dimensions, universes, planes) we find that the matter of those planes, the spiritual matter (not physical matter) is less and less substantial. So... time, when compared to here on Earth slows. At the very highest level where the great creative force (God) is time has slowed to a stop. This plane is truly timeless. Now here is the interesting part. We are often presented with the question which is: If we have free will how can it be that God already knows how we will choose? The answer is simple. We are using our free will here in the lowest plane where time is fast. God, though, is on the timeless plane. From God's perspective there is no time at all. God is timeless. For God there is only the present. This is the reason why it is sometimes reported that God simple "is". "Before Abraham was, I am" is another quote which speaks of this. So as we, immersed in the flow of time are busy making our decisions in life, God sees past, present and future as "now". This is why God knows all. The only difficulty in accepting this is caused by our human minds which are also bound by time. Our rational minds cannot fully comprehend timelessness because they are necessarily designed to be used in the lower planes. Should we be wary of Satan? Yes. Should we fear him? No. Evil feeds on fear. Be fearless and be free.

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And only one typo.... wonderful.


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The more we become (identify as) light instead of matter....
That was all I needed to hear for the day!!
Split any atom and what do ya get? Light and sound

We're 99.99999% empty space anyway --our bodies.
I love when we know what this place really IS!
Matter, slowed down light, encapsulated.
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