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16-07-2021, 07:08 AM
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The dark side of I AM.
An insight. I am on the dark side of I AM. Have been barking up the wrong tree because for many years I thought I had problems with God. But in fact my relationship with God is fine. When it comes to I AM or the universal 'I' then I fall to pieces.
To be on the wrong side of I AM is horrible. It is painful, scary and unstable. Having realised my predicament I am working to heal it and slowly day by day I improve. A Freudian analyst would have a field day with me.
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16-07-2021, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Honza
An insight. I am on the dark side of I AM. Have been barking up the wrong tree because for many years I thought I had problems with God. But in fact my relationship with God is fine. When it comes to I AM or the universal 'I' then I fall to pieces.
To be on the wrong side of I AM is horrible. It is painful, scary and unstable. Having realised my predicament I am working to heal it and slowly day by day I improve. A Freudian analyst would have a field day with me.
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The 'I am ' or Self is beyond the pair of opposites.
A positive side or dark side implies the egoic mind ( rather than the Self) which perceives the field of opposites and sees duality and differences instead of unity.
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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16-07-2021, 11:41 AM
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Meaning that there is no dark side of I AM? Well it is thought to be possible to be on the dark side of God, so why not I AM? I am thinking that I am so out of touch with my true self, that I am in its dark side??
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16-07-2021, 02:12 PM
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"I Am" is firmly within duality as it's of mind. So yeah, it has light and dark sides. In Ramana Maharshi's "Who Am I?" he explains Vedantic Self-inquiry following the sense of "I Am" will eventually take one beyond "I Am". That's the "space" of Self also known as Atman and by extension Brahman. It's that "space" of utter stillness and silence. I believe he phrases it something like "the mind is quiescent".
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19-07-2021, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
"I Am" is firmly within duality as it's of mind. So yeah, it has light and dark sides. In Ramana Maharshi's "Who Am I?" he explains Vedantic Self-inquiry following the sense of "I Am" will eventually take one beyond "I Am". That's the "space" of Self also known as Atman and by extension Brahman. It's that "space" of utter stillness and silence. I believe he phrases it something like "the mind is quiescent".
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Hi Justasimpleguy,
Just checking. Is the 'I am' the fundamental ego-thought , and of the mind !
As per Ramana the ego is the 'I' thought.
Ego is 'I-thought'. In its subtle form it remains a thought, whereas in its gross aspect it embraces the mind, the senses and the body. ~ Ramana Maharshi
The 'I am' is stated by Nisargadatta to not be a thought or modification of the mind.
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The knowledge I am is not a thought but observes thought. The innermost, subtlest principle is that gnawing principle I am, I am without words, by which you know you are. It has no form or image; it is only beingness, the love to be. ~ Nisargadatta
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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19-07-2021, 06:01 AM
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“Become conscious of being conscious. Say or think “I am”, and add nothing to it. Be aware of the stillness that follows the “I am”. Sense your presence, the naked unveiled, unclothed beingness. It is untouched by young or old, rich or poor, good or bad, or any other attributes. It is the spacious womb of all creation, all form.”― Ramana Maharshi
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I think Ramana is using the term 'I am' just like Awareness to refer to the Self. And he uses the verbal word and thought of 'I am' just as a reference point in communication for teaching purposes.
But ultimately, the 'I am' is not a thought but beyond thought and mind. It is non-conceptual.
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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19-07-2021, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ajay00
Hi Justasimpleguy, Just checking. Is the 'I am' the fundamental ego-thought , and of the mind !
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It's a "knowing" beyond mind and hence beyond thought. For this I like the Kena Upanishad. It's that "nor do I think that I do not know it" whereas ""I do not think I know it well" is of mind.
https://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacreds...arama/kena.asp
II. The disciple said: I do not think I know It well, nor do I think that I do not know It. He among us who knows It truly, knows (what is meant by) "I know" and also what is meant by "I know It not." |
19-07-2021, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Honza
Meaning that there is no dark side of I AM? Well it is thought to be possible to be on the dark side of God, so why not I AM?
I am thinking that I am so out of touch with my true self, that I am in its dark side??
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Oh, Honza, buddy, you're not on the dark side!!! 
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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21-07-2021, 12:18 PM
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Oh, Honza, buddy, you're not on the dark side!!! |
It certainly feels like I am. Imagine being on the wrong side of your own 'I'. It can be terrible for me at times.
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22-07-2021, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Honza
It certainly feels like I am. Imagine being on the wrong side of your own 'I'. It can be terrible for me at times.
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You couldn't even if you tried.
Confusion leads to clarity.
We all use light and dark all the time. This is how this reality is set up.
If you what to know what the dark is, it is pure control of oneself and others.
And we all use control to some degree. It would be impossible to be in this reality without using it.
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