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Old 09-10-2018, 05:59 AM
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All roads lead to Rome, as they say. Every religion is relevant and every religion has truth embedded in it.

In the Buddhist practice I'm familiar with the religion individuals identify with is irrelevant; including Buddhist religion, ironically .

I am very much seeing this, though I would change every religion to most religions. It's quite wonderful to be agreeing with one religion/philosophy, and a while later to find a different aspect of 'truth' in a completely different one.

True. And there are many ways of talking about spiritual things.

At the same time there can be much nonsense in all religions/philosophies, because they were created by human beings who still have limited understanding of ultimate reality.

Agreed. One can only sort the chaff from the hay, after all.
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Old 09-10-2018, 03:37 PM
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Here is a very brief description of the differences. In the discussion you have Buddhism, Kashmir Shaivism and Vedanta as comparisions.

I am more a Buddha guy myself.

Vedanta realization is about avidya or ignorance clouding the Brahman/Atman. All that is needed is for this cloud to pass and the Brahman to shine like sun. Jnana or Knowledge by intellectual questioning is enough to remove this ignorance. Everything is also an expression of one Brahman in this non-dual. Abhinavagupta's non-dual is bheda-abheda, it accepts both differentiation (immanent) and the non differentiated conciousness (transcendent) to be equally and simultaneously true. It is all one vibration of the divine in KS. Therefore duality is equally valid in this view as the non-dual. It is never not the true, partially true or just a stage to cross over to higher.

Then, it is not the avidya/ignorance that is the problem, but it is about maya (a divine force) that makes us forget who we are and engage in this game. The anugraha or divine grace helps remove the Maya and make us realize, we are essentially Shiva. This may sound similar because there are some similarities. But there are some glaring differences. The vivarta vada, that the manifested world is not real, but appears so, like a rope mistaken for snake is entirely rejected by Abhinavagupta. He explains why in detail. There can't be one Brahman that is all knowing and all pervading and also ignorant (avidya) at the same time. There are some major logical loop holes as pointed by many.

As it concerns to Buddhism, it is even simpler and clear to see the differences. There is no Isvara (one all encompassing divine), Buddha rejected this completely and he is right in my opinion. There goes most arguments towards jinanmukta. Even ignoring that huge thing, anatta, no self and one supreme Self /Atman are diametrically opposite concepts. Emptiness is NOT the One Brahman. Never.

Why do we need to combine everything and put them all in one bucket? Is it because it gives some comfort to the mind. The differentiations are important. They result in different levels of end realizations, like Arhat, immortal, realized immortal, Buddha, etc.

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