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Old 27-11-2018, 05:51 PM
Kioma
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Hello all.

If we choose to look at love with the perception put forward in post 15.--It seems reasonable to suggest that love as both cause and consequence is not dependant upon a "greater" authority, is not directed, is "self" regulating.

In terms of attributes which are associated with "God", the suggestion as outlined above seems to give substance to the idea/belief that God is indeed Love.

Further, if love longs to share of "itself",--for perhaps else it is not love--then can such longing---and through some mysterious transcendent property arising as a result of the merging of cause and consequence,--somehow cause change in stillness ? Even the most minute change in stillness would begin a rapid transformation because a chain of cause and consequence has inevitably been started by such change. The wind moved upon the water--might perhaps be thoughts along these lines expressed in terms familiar to our distant ancestors.
What do you feel would be transformed, and from what to what?
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Old 27-11-2018, 05:52 PM
Kioma
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...I too believe that at the highest level the word bliss and true spiritual love are the same.
I do not know that they are 'the same', but I do feel they go hand in hand.
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Old 27-11-2018, 05:53 PM
Kioma
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Originally Posted by boshy b. good
gooded auxilio that drives out the feel
of worry, and the very optimum be
found out. go for it. go forward with.
go ahead with. get away with. loved
Perhaps you mean self confidence, self love?
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Old 27-11-2018, 05:54 PM
Kioma
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Originally Posted by weareunity
Hello all.

Love can be perceived as a (mysterious) merging of cause and consequence. May be first experienced as consequence,-- as being received, then becomes fulfilled as causal power/motivation.

Difficult to find words to explain this strange mixture of sublime and everyday working practice.
Perhaps you mean Karma?
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Old 27-11-2018, 07:48 PM
boshy b. good
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Originally Posted by Kioma
Perhaps you mean self confidence, self love
it's not easy but do not keep it
to yourself, i meant good love

i see the more you are good loving,
the better positive be more all in all

that's my brought up
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Old 28-11-2018, 12:38 AM
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I like the way you share your connection. That is wonderful.

The second part of the OP asks what the connection you had/have with pure infinite love means to you. How has it changed your outlook or informed your consciousness? Or, perhaps you feel it has an impact but is simply something you cannot put into words?

Whatever that is, I want to hear about that too.




Dear Kioma, after looking at you, who and what you are, I am surprised you ask questions that are part of the structure of this verse, or any other verse.
After all it is your kind who construct all that is physical.
What does "pure infinite love" mean to me? It is what it is, I work with it when I need to. Receive it, send it out, anchor it, remodel it. This is my job here.
Be well
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Old 28-11-2018, 09:48 AM
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Dear Kioma,

Re your post 21. --I can only imagine--and then far beyond what little I know, that the transformation would be of the nature of unchanging to changing. So not from what to what, more like from stasis to moving, from potential to dynamic--perhaps?

From the point of view of this changing being in some mysterious way instigated by love, then not so much as a pre-ordained plan that entities able to of themselves express love will at some point evolve along the chain of cause and consequence instigated, but of loves longing so great to share of "itself" that it bursts, knowing that "it" cannot insist yet longs to offer the opportunity. To become fully realised this opportunity would be known to have been fully realised when the whole recognises its wholeness and acts accordingly.

Again I struggle for words to communicate the thoughts.

pete
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Old 28-11-2018, 06:25 PM
Kioma
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Originally Posted by boshy b. good
it's not easy but do not keep it
to yourself, i meant good love

i see the more you are good loving,
the better positive be more all in all

that's my brought up
That's beautiful.
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Old 28-11-2018, 08:51 PM
Kioma
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Love is giving.

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Originally Posted by weareunity
Dear Kioma,

Re your post 21. --I can only imagine--and then far beyond what little I know, that the transformation would be of the nature of unchanging to changing. So not from what to what, more like from stasis to moving, from potential to dynamic--perhaps?

From the point of view of this changing being in some mysterious way instigated by love, then not so much as a pre-ordained plan that entities able to of themselves express love will at some point evolve along the chain of cause and consequence instigated, but of loves longing so great to share of "itself" that it bursts, knowing that "it" cannot insist yet longs to offer the opportunity. To become fully realised this opportunity would be known to have been fully realised when the whole recognises its wholeness and acts accordingly.

Again I struggle for words to communicate the thoughts.

pete
I think I know what you mean.

My own experience of pure infinite love arose from an OBE I had many years ago. This particular experience I separated from my body much more rapidly than usual, virtually shooting up through the ceiling and into the night sky.

I arose quickly. Slowing to a stop I saw the entire earth from a great height, the atmosphere a thin film surrounding it, and then in my vision resolved all life swarming the surface, and entered an infinite moment where I was part of all of it and it was part of me.

There was tremendous energy in all the activity, all the living, dying, fighting, loving, all the busy-ness that is life on earth, and I saw how achingly divinely beautiful it all was, because I knew in that moment that it was all happening exactly as it was supposed to, saw with my third eye that at the center of it all was a source that created and animated all of it, perceived as a blindingly brilliant beacon shining everything just under the manifestation of everything, gave both existence and the canvas for the expression of that existence - and for the most part it was we that painted that expression. We, collectively, were free to do what we wanted, free to choose our own direction within the framework of the rest of the collective. It was up to us, both individually and collectively, to make of existence what we wanted, and I could feel the pure infinite bliss that source also radiated as existence unfolded.

You've heard the expression "If you love something, set it free"? That was pretty much what was going on. At the same time, there were so many dramas on so many levels it was immensely complex and dynamic. There was no single scheme or goal or agenda, it was all incredibly nuanced and individual - at the same time we were all in it together. If there was a single impetus I could point to I would have to say it was generally beneficial to increase awareness, to utilize intelligence to serve the soul, that the more aware one became the more 'god-like' one became, though even that could be a very crooked road, judging from what I was experiencing in the moment. There are no 10 commandments or other rule book one could blindly follow - if something was allowed, you could do it, and if it was not allowed you simply couldn't do it, the rules of which were coded into existence itself, with circumstance and situation so varied one often had much to consider in context for any particular decision.

It was just a moment, but there was so much packed into it and so much more I could say it just sort of blew my mind. It took me many years to digest that one experience. I still think of it often, and it was over 20 years ago.

There are many take-aways for me. In the context of 'pure infinite love' I think one of the best definitions is 'giving', as at the center of existence is a force, best described as pure infinite love, that perpetually creates and supports existence, so that we may experience life. It gives us everything.

Yes, we all come into this world unequally - but in that moment I saw what I have come to call a 'divine fairness' endowing us each with our lot in life. It happens for many reasons - some are from a spiritual agenda, some are from decisions others have made in life, some are a roll of the dice, etc, but it all fits together perfectly in the grand perspective. We all have our individual perspective, our individual expression, our individual strengths and weaknesses, our individual challenges and chances.

What else did I get out of it? Let me go down the list:

What is good and bad, and why be good to others? Supporting the highest expression of the greater collective seems a worthy goal, as we are all created with potential to be expressed I assume because pure infinite love feels we are worthy and wants our potential to be expressed. Conversely, impeding that expression is therefore 'bad'. If we were all to create harmony and work together, being what the source intended, I often wonder what would happen. I'm not sure - but after much deliberation I can state positively that it sure would beat the alternative.

Is there cosmic justice? Justice is a human invention. Karma only applies to certain levels of certain contexts. There is no hell or heaven that we do not ourselves create. As noted above, people are free to do what they want - hate, murder, torture, or love, support, expand each other. The effects can be very specific or very general, depending on the individual situation, but there is no 'cosmic comeuppance' automatically meted out, and to hope for one is no more than a wish for revenge. The real consequence is only in how we grow or diminish our own or the collective expression.

If we are all so loved, why do we suffer? We are all equally loved, even Hitler, for playing his part in the drama - but that doesn't mean we must apathetically acquiesce to whatever is acting on us. We too can do what we want. Such people as Hitler, and your more garden variety of psychopaths, should be constrained from diminishing the collective expression through whatever means are necessary. Most importantly, it is our freedom to fail that is the proof of our freedom, and our freedom that is the proof of being loved. Perhaps some people would wish for a universe where we can't make a wrong decision and can never be hurt, but that would effectively be a rubber-room universe. How could we grow in that? No, we must have the freedom to fail as well as the freedom to succeed - to only have one without the other is no freedom at all.

I could go on, but this is already far too long. Suffice it to say I too have felt pure infinite love, and from that experience I learned that I too must love for existence to be productive. I no longer feel separated from others, but know just how inseparable we all are, even in our individuality. That is our challenge, but it is also our freedom - if we use it wisely, with love.
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Old 28-11-2018, 09:20 PM
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rest assure, kioma
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