Is Panentheism non duality, when Panentheism says god is greater than the universe?

MikeS80 · #1 28-10-2023, 09:32 AM

HITESH SHAH · #2 06-11-2023, 01:11 PM

Pantheism is the underlying common denominator of most religions. Pantheism is seeing God and His intelligence behind everything we see in this universe. And non-duality is being able to feel oneness in apparently diverse dualistic situations. While this looks similar, there is subtle difference that u see God and His schema in universe as other and in pure non-duality there is NO other only One.

Barring such small difference, both are great way to develop our soul .

MikeS80 · #3 19-11-2023, 10:30 AM

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Pantheism is the underlying common denominator of most religions. Pantheism is seeing God and His intelligence behind everything we see in this universe. And non-duality is being able to feel oneness in apparently diverse dualistic situations. While this looks similar, there is subtle difference that u see God and His schema in universe as other and in pure non-duality there is NO other only One.

Barring such small difference, both are great way to develop our soul .

Most organized religion and spirituality say that god or the absolute or the afterlife and etc is greater than and transcends the physical universe, this is panentheism, and this is what people of these religions and spiritualities seek, in a reality/universe that is so called inferior. as opposed to pantheism. Pantheism says that the physical universe is equal to god or the absolute or the afterlife and etc, and this has effects and implications on peoples subjective awareness and concept of enlightenment.

Pantheism says that the physical universe is not lower or worse than god or the absolute or the afterlife etc etc.

The belief that the physical universe is a dream, maya, illusion, not real etc etc. are all beliefs of panentheism.

Panentheism to me, is more human made artificially created duality, and that is why I created this thread.

HITESH SHAH · #4 19-11-2023, 11:39 AM

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Pantheism says that the physical universe is not lower or worse than god ...

Pantheism to me, is more human made artificially created duality

I consider pantheism as

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the belief that God exists in all natural things

I dont see any problem pantheism with this meaning . This approach also helps human being develop. Pantheism may have duality but not necessarily a harmful one .It's still a good .

Ewwerrin · #5 21-11-2023, 02:27 PM

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Is Panentheism non duality, when Panentheism says god is greater than the universe?

I would say God is greater than the universe, but the word God is a loaded word that means all kinds of things that are of utmost irrelevance.
So rather call it The Absolute, or the one and all. The one does not know itself. No awareness. It is everything and thus nothing. The All is where awareness is infinite. And it's all a massive network of relativity. ever expanding. An eternal duality. Made possible by consciousness. And then the center of it all is the All Conscious. All the ever expanding universes are part of that. And so if you call that God, then yes it is bigger than the universe. But it is everything. It can be simultaneously the smallest and biggest, it has no limitation. And it is all meaningless and a duality. So if there is any meaning found, it comes from the self or the illusion of the self.
Because in the absolute reality, there is not even an awareness, for there to be any meaning.
The all is the first/prime reflection. It consciousness/awareness. And it requires self reflection/resonance/radiance, it is dualistic because it requires self and other, both simultaneously, to vibrate infinite degrees/dimensions of vibration/duality/relativity, ever expanding and ever contracting.