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13-06-2023, 06:39 AM
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There can be only one absolute, it is indivisible, and cannot be known by awareness.
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Maybe it can be known by awareness ? But it can't be fully experienced by awareness.
Awareness in such a context would be a symbol or sacred sign leading or pointing to God ?
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13-06-2023, 07:37 AM
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There can be only one absolute, it is indivisible, and cannot be known by awareness.
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Awareness is the absolute and is all there is.
Awareness is a trillion points of experiencing all aspects of absolutness.
Awareness is how the Cosmos learns to know itself and the journey it is making in its continuous cycle of birth and rebirth.
One universe follows another.
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13-06-2023, 10:32 AM
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Awareness is the absolute and is all there is.
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Well, THAT about covers it! Ta da! 
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Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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14-06-2023, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
Maybe it can be known by awareness ? But it can't be fully experienced by awareness.
Awareness in such a context would be a symbol or sacred sign leading or pointing to God ?
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'Awareness', 'known', and 'experienced' are attributes/distinctions that can not exist in Absolute. Depending on how you think about it, in Absolute there is either nothing or one thing. The above three words imply at least duality (2+), thus incompatible with Absolute (0) or (1).
[very advanced] If you have very good OBE skills, you can explore the limits of awareness (and consciousness) in the following way. Basically you want to move (slowly) towards oneness/unity. Either start near the White Light often seen on NDE or head 'towards' unity. Note that in my experience, as you get not all that close to Unity, one encounters the White Light in the distance. As you continue to approach, first (your) consciousness will cease.
Assuming you come back, try again trying stopping just before getting too close to Unity/White Light. This might take a couple of tries. Then project your awareness (or any clair-- ability) closer. You will discover that your awareness can approach closer to Unity. At some point awareness will cease also.
Too close to Unity, one can not experience anything. Even closer one can not be at all.
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14-06-2023, 02:05 PM
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'Awareness', 'known', and 'experienced' are attributes/distinctions that can not exist in Absolute....
The above three words imply at least duality (2+), thus incompatible with Absolute (0) or (1)...
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Are you saying the Absolute has no mind then? Also, would have no feelings?
I'm not understanding.
You do not think of the Absolute as what is usually called God, the Spirit or Being or Divine Mind that is the Creative Force, then?
Thanks :)
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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14-06-2023, 06:44 PM
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Depending on how you think about it, in Absolute there is either nothing or one thing. The above three words imply at least duality (2+), thus incompatible with Absolute (0) or (1).
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I agree that the Absolute is either nothing (0) or one thing (1). But to speak of duality as (2+) may cause some confusion. It suggests that duality is something in addition to the Absolute.
I prefer to think of duality as a division within the Absolute rather than an addition to the Absolute. Even though of course the Absolute is non-divisible. So all creation occurs between Zero and One.
Just a thought.
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14-06-2023, 07:03 PM
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Are you saying the Absolute has no mind then? Also, would have no feelings? You do not think of the Absolute as what is usually called God, the Spirit or Being or Divine Mind that is the Creative Force, then?
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The Absolute by definition has no mind, no feelings, no qualities. The Absolute can be considered as complete emptiness or complete fullness.
What we might call the Divine Mind or the Creative Force are manifestations within the Absolute from which come everything else.
Indian philosophy explains this in terms of the Absolute manifesting first as Purusha (pure Spirit) and Mulaprakriti (primordial Matter) which together give rise to Consciousness. From this trinity comes all Creation.
But such concepts do not really help us to understand how everything comes from Nothing. This is the big mystery.
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14-06-2023, 09:54 PM
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That helped more. :)
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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15-06-2023, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Are you saying the Absolute has no mind then? Also, would have no feelings?
I'm not understanding.
You do not think of the Absolute as what is usually called God, the Spirit or Being or Divine Mind that is the Creative Force, then?
Thanks :)
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The Absolute by definition has no mind, no feelings, no qualities. The Absolute can be considered as complete emptiness or complete fullness.
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I agree with iamthat on this.
Miss Hepburn, you keep trying to apply attributes to the absolute, this is not going in the right direction. Absolute is none of the following: God, Spirit, Being, Divine, Mind, Creative or Force. To avoid preconception, I sometimes I refer to absolute as undifferentiated sameness without feature or attribute.
I have noticed that most of the confusion about this issue is caused by thinking of the creator of this universe as the origin of everything.
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15-06-2023, 06:58 AM
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I have noticed that most of the confusion about this issue is caused by thinking of the creator of this universe as the origin of everything.
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In my book there is no creator -of anything - the Universe is at a constant but changing permanence caused by itself. It always has been and always will be. The drive of energy which leads to everything and to all life forms everywhere has chosen consciousness as feedback to enable itself to 'see' itself.
We, and everything with just even a smattering of consciousness echoes the rebound of this feedback as (for want of a better word) life.
Look at the history and circumstances of our world and the reflection of the big picture can be seen.
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The constantly promoted belief (induced by religions) that we are born to be good and obey (in order to enter heaven) is a tragic error in the concept of the universe's plan and an insult to mankind's intellect.
'A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory'
- Mark Twain.
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