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Old 27-04-2022, 03:29 PM
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Yes this source , consciousness is variously called by different people with different name like Christ consciousness , Krishna consciousness , Source , Brahman , Chit Shakti etc



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Old 27-04-2022, 03:35 PM
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ISHWARA is the universe, containing the infinite relative universe within its being, ISHWARA is the only begotten son of BRAHMAN, issued out of Brahman at that primordial intentional wave that gave birth to motion and this universe;



Gaudapada's Karika does not even differentiate between ISHWARA and BRAHMAN.

(For those who are not familiar with Gaudapada, he is the teacher of the teacher of Shankara, who was a leading proponent of Advaita Vedanta. The Karika focuses on the Mandukya Upanishad.)
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Old 28-04-2022, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE 8 EXCERPT:Gaudapada's Karika does not even differentiate between ISHWARA and BRAHMAN.
(For those who are not familiar with Gaudapada, he is the teacher of the teacher of Shankara, who was a leading proponent of Advaita Vedanta. The Karika focuses on the Mandukya Upanishad.)
Thank you Still Waters for your input here Glad to know that there is correspondence to this writing on ISHWARA.
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Old 29-04-2022, 03:07 PM
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Thank you Still Waters for your input here Glad to know that there is correspondence to this writing on ISHWARA.
regards michael.

In addition, if you are familiar with the Niyamas (2nd limb of Asthanga "eight limbed" Yoga, also known as Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras), the 5th of the Niyamas (observances) is ISHWARA PRANIDHANA. it is well said that the one who has mastered this can skip all the other steps (limbs).

For those unfamiliar with ISHWARA PRANIDHANA, a good definition is:

"Pranidhana means to dedicate, devote, or surrender. The practice of Ishvara Pranidhana therefore means that if we are able to completely surrender our individual ego identities to God (our own higher self) we will attain the identity of God."
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Old 02-05-2022, 04:09 PM
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ISHWARA is CONSCIOUSNESS ITELF

ISHWARA is more than just consciousness it actually has this entire universe within its infinite bosom. We that of humanity are all embodiments of ISHWARA if fact the only thing that actually exists within this universe is ISHWARA.


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Old 08-05-2022, 09:51 PM
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ISHWARA is more than just consciousness it actually has this entire universe within its infinite bosom. We that of humanity are all embodiments of ISHWARA if fact the only thing that actually exists within this universe is ISHWARA.
From the Advaita perspective Ishwara is the ultimate manifestation of Brahman and Brahman is SatChitAnanda so Brahman is Consciousness. In effect Ishwara is an appearance of Brahman and within Brahma, albeit the highest appearance. Think when Sri Krishna revealed his cosmic nature to Arjuna in the Gita.

The relationship depends on the school of Hinduism.
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Old 04-08-2022, 05:19 PM
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Post Parabrahman, the Source.

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India has always had a profound effect upon me, I have visited the country several times, went to the ashram of Aurobindo in Podicherry and twice to the ashram of SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI where I was greatly impressed by the power and the energy that I felt there and the holy mountain of Arunachala.
Hi All,

If Ishwara is the World itself, the World being a mere illusion, then is not Ishwara also a merely illusion ?
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Yes this source , consciousness is variously called by different people with different name like Christ consciousness , Krishna consciousness , Source , Brahman , Chit Shakti etc

This source we call God lets the seeker see Him in anyway the seeker finds it suitable .
If your definition of God is Sat-Chit-Ananda, Brahman, Christ-Krishna consciousness, Brahman, then youíre identifying Ishwara with Consciousness.

Is there not a Source to this Consciousness ?
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QUOTE 8 EXCERPT:
Gaudapada's Karika does not even differentiate between ISHWARA and BRAHMAN.

(For those who are not familiar with Gaudapada, he is the teacher of the teacher of Shankara, who was a leading proponent of Advaita Vedanta. The Karika focuses on the Mandukya Upanishad.)

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In addition, if you are familiar with the Niyamas (2nd limb of Asthanga "eight limbed" Yoga, also known as Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras), the 5th of the Niyamas (observances) is ISHWARA PRANIDHANA. it is well said that the one who has mastered this can skip all the other steps (limbs).

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ISHWARA is more than just consciousness it actually has this entire universe within its infinite bosom. We that of humanity are all embodiments of ISHWARA if fact the only thing that actually exists within this universe is ISHWARA.

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From the Advaita perspective Ishwara is the ultimate manifestation of Brahman and Brahman is SatChitAnanda so Brahman is Consciousness. In effect Ishwara is an appearance of Brahman and within Brahma, albeit the highest appearance. Think when Sri Krishna revealed his cosmic nature to Arjuna in the Gita.

The relationship depends on the school of Hinduism.
Yes, depends on the School of Hinduism we refer to.

Still, I do not remember reading or hearing an identification between Ishwara-Brahman and the PARABRAHMAN-Source.

Why considering the creation of the word Parabrahman - Para is a Sanskrit word which translates literally to mean "supreme," "highest" or "absolute" - if itís not the ground afore Brahman-Ishwara, then the Real Supreme Reality Source ?

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R.

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Old 05-08-2022, 04:09 PM
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`If Ishwara is the World itself, the World being a mere illusion, then is not Ishwara also a merely illusion ?`
Lovely question. I am not sure if my answer is correct or not but here goes.
When people say the world is an illusion, they mean it is not the highest truth, like a dream. Something has occured in order for a dream to take place, and although from the point of the observer the dream seems real, it is just something that takes place within the mind of the observer and not the reality. In the same way this universe is something that takes place within the mind of the divine. It is not the higher reality of what you and I really am.
We are beings of conscious light. This universe is a manifestation created by that light slowing down its rate of vibration in order to create this material (and all the other planes) plane. As we go up the planes and our vibration increases, we become closer to our true nature. Its like water, as we speed up the molecules they become steam, as we slow them down they eventually become Ice.
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Old 07-08-2022, 05:29 PM
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If your definition of God is Sat-Chit-Ananda, Brahman, Christ-Krishna consciousness, Brahman, then you’re identifying Ishwara with Consciousness.

Is there not a Source to this Consciousness ?

God /source / Brahman / Para-brahman (better than Brahman ) is without beginning , unending , all-permeating ,all pervasive , omni-present . Consicuousness itself is the source . There is no source to source as I explained about the nature
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Old 08-08-2022, 01:40 AM
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Still, I do not remember reading or hearing an identification between Ishwara-Brahman and the PARABRAHMAN-Source.
https://vedantaandscience.com/?p=499

Nirguna Brahman: Nirguna Brahman means Brahman without qualities or attributes.

Saguna Brahman = Ishvara: Saguna Brahman or Ishvara means Brahman with qualities and attributes.


From the Advaita perspective the only relationship between Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman is ignorance, and that ignorance is Nirguna Brahman's reflection as Saguna Brahman. Remove the ignorance and there is only Nirguna Brahman.
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