Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

You probably are morally more advanced then me, I am happy for you.
I bet you can spell better and speak better too.
I am not sure what any of that has to do with anything.
What do you care how anyone sees the Blood of Christ?

At least you narrowed it down to homophobic and misogynous mainstream religion instead of Christianity.

I have no need to draw any conclusions. Life is always in flux.

That was Christianity, blind fool.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

Regards
DL

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

Regards
DL

Very good preferences humanity action based vs superstitious passive in life . Very few people have such clear preferences .

Re- other conclusion on religions I do not really have good info to reject or substantiate it.

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

That was Christianity, blind fool.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

Regards
DL

Cool you have problems with religions. I've met many Christians that
don't prescribe to the faults you mention or attend any mainstream
organized religion and think and act freely.
I stay away from judging religions as a whole.
I have never met a Gnostic.So I have no opinion on their morality.
You may be my first encounter with one. So far, not to impressed with Gnostic's maybe that will change.
Your first video looks like nothing new.

Your second video wants to redefine words for me.No thanks, I can redefine
my own words and think for myself.

Here's a nice Jesus song for you.From a Spiritual way that Loves Jesus the Christ.
It's only 2:58 mins. long, it may illuminate you. Never know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjyWQG-v34

It's been fun.LOL #smiley face.

Edit: In this line I wrote above ("So far, not to impressed with Gnostic's") I should add, the Gnostic disposition you put across
does not impress me.Your representation of Gnosticism is nothing I would explore further.Nothing against
Gnostic's or you personally.

[white pegasus]

SS-you really seem to be a glutton for punishment-arent you,,,,,,,,you continue to post these loaded questions in a sub forum entitled "Christianity" and when a christian answers you call them names-lol

You talk as if you are somehow more morally higher than the average human being-I highly doubt that you are simply for the reason on how you respond to others in your post.

Your anger issues are obviopusly with Yaweh/VChrist-why not go directly to Yaweh and confess to Him what you are angry about.

I doubt that you posting loaded, distorted questions are going to help resolve your personal issues with God.

I hope you are able to find peace amidst your anger storm-

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Very good preferences humanity action based vs superstitious passive in life . Very few people have such clear preferences .

Re- other conclusion on religions I do not really have good info to reject or substantiate it.

Thanks for the compliment.

I do not believe you are being truthful with your last.

You are likely a lot more moral than the average theist.

I do not know what ideology you follow, be it religious, philosophical or political you have one.

I will bet that it does not include adoring or even liking a genocidal and infanticidal god like Yahweh, or you institutionalizing homophobia and misogyny in your ideology.

I hope you fight those when you can.

I like to be friendly, but my ideology has a component where i have to live by the adage that for evil to grow, all good people like you and I have to do is nothing.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Cool you have problems with religions. I've met many Christians that
don't prescribe to the faults you mention or attend any mainstream
organized religion and think and act freely.
I stay away from judging religions as a whole.
I have never met a Gnostic.So I have no opinion on their morality.
You may be my first encounter with one. So far, not to impressed with Gnostic's maybe that will change.
Your first video looks like nothing new.

Your second video wants to redefine words for me.No thanks, I can redefine
my own words and think for myself.

Here's a nice Jesus song for you.From a Spiritual way that Loves Jesus the Christ.
It's only 2:58 mins. long, it may illuminate you. Never know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjyWQG-v34

It's been fun.LOL #smiley face.

Edit: In this line I wrote above ("So far, not to impressed with Gnostic's") I should add, the Gnostic disposition you put across
does not impress me.Your representation of Gnosticism is nothing I would explore further.Nothing against
Gnostic's or you personally.

"I stay away from judging religions as a whole."

Then you are an immoral fool who does not care enough about people to do the right thing. Fight against immoral religions that grew through inquisitions and jihads.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by white pegasus

SS-you really seem to be a glutton for punishment-arent you,,,,,,,,you continue to post these loaded questions in a sub forum entitled "Christianity" and when a christian answers you call them names-lol

You talk as if you are somehow more morally higher than the average human being-I highly doubt that you are simply for the reason on how you respond to others in your post.

Your anger issues are obviopusly with Yaweh/VChrist-why not go directly to Yaweh and confess to Him what you are angry about.

I doubt that you posting loaded, distorted questions are going to help resolve your personal issues with God.

I hope you are able to find peace amidst your anger storm-

Only the moral cowards see a loaded question.

I did check with Yahweh before making my choices.

Here is what your genocidal prick said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno

Regards
DL

[theophilus]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

So god can die. Interesting.

It it really a sacrifice if the sacrifice does not stay dead, or is it a lie?

You say god had no other way. Why are you restricting god and where in scriptures does it say he cannot forgive us without having his own child murdered?

Regards
DL

God is just and his justice will not allow him to overlook sin. To simply forgive without taking care of the sin in some way would be to condone sin. By providing a sacrifice to atone for sin, God could forgive the sinner without compromising his justice.

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:21-26 ESV

Originally Posted by theophilus

God is just and his justice will not allow him to overlook sin. To simply forgive without taking care of the sin in some way would be to condone sin. By providing a sacrifice to atone for sin, God could forgive the sinner without compromising his justice.

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:21-26 ESV

We are all children of god. The same god you are restricting to the evil ways you would practice, it seems.

Would you sacrifice your child or yourself if you decided a sacrifice was required?

What is the best natural and moral choice?

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by theophilus

the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.[/b][/i]
Romans 3:21-26 ESV

Why wright this when you know that no one had had faith or belief in Jesus from the beginning of Christianity?

Who have you seen do all he can do and more, as scriptures say believers or those of faith can do?

Regards
DL