The Cult of The Harmless Man

[ArcticWolf]

I have done some open-minded exploring on all kinds of different ideals for manhood and womanhood, for inspiration fuel. Related to this research, some time ago, I started reading stuff written by far-left feminists. I was reading the stuff these people post in the internet asking these questions while reading: "What are the ideals of manhood and womanhood for these people. How does woke manhood and woke womanhood look like?. If these people built a temple for manhood and womanhood, what would they be called?"

I won't bore you with the details of my journey in the woke-land, I'll just share the final conclusion I made. My conclusion was that, woke womanhood was actually a quite sophisticated ideal, full of positive things a woman can be and I'm pretty sure plenty of woke women are happy and proud women. Good for them. But on the manhood - side, the conclusion was rather depressive and disappointing. There were no heroic knights in woke fairytales, there were no proud gods in woke temples. Every single thing that was said about men or manhood was expressed in negatives "Don't be a patriarchalist, don't be a sexist, don't do bad things etc.". Or in summary, for a man, the entire far-left woke message is: Be harmless. A good husband is a harmless husband, a good lover is a harmless lover, and so on. Boys, being harmless is the best you can do! As long as you do no harm, you're being the best version of you. Inspiring, eh?

If the woke-feminist crowd built a temple for manhood, the society of the temple would be called "The Cult of The Harmless Man". I think it doesn't take very much to build a more inspiring one.

[Traveler]

Feminists want men at their side. As equals going into battle or at the home hearth sharing equally in caring for the home and raising the children. Woke feminists don't want to feminize men, we just want men to be all they can be - masculine as well as nurturing.

I'll bet the stuff you read by far-left feminists were written by young women. Young people have fire in their bellies and are ready to take up the banner for the good fight. As we grow and gain wisdom, we tend to mellow.

I will say this about feminism though. True feminism wants equality of the sexes. We want body autonomy. We want a seat at every table, from the boardroom to Congress. We want our voices to hold weight and to be taken seriously.

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by Traveler

I'll bet the stuff you read by far-left feminists were written by young women. Young people have fire in their bellies and are ready to take up the banner for the good fight. As we grow and gain wisdom, we tend to mellow.

Based on my own experience, it tends to be the opposite. The young feminists tend to have a sense of youthful open-mindedness in their hearts still left, while the older ones have had far more years to dwell in their ideological man-demonizing and after drinking this poison for far more years, they have become the mean ones.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by ArcticWolf

Based on my own experience, it tends to be the opposite. The young feminists tend to have a sense of youthful open-mindedness in their hearts still left, while the older ones have had far more years to dwell in their ideological man-demonizing and after drinking this poison for far more years, they have become the mean ones.

Do you understand why they're so angry? Can you not see that even though we make up 50% of the population, we are not equally represented in positions of power or even STEM careers. That our bodies are still being legislated against us. That we have had to fight for insurance coverage for mammograms, 48 hours of hospital stay after labor and delivery? And that we had to fight for insurance coverage for reconstructive surgery after mastectomies for cancer? That we still are not believed when we report sexual harassment or assault? That the Violence Against Women Act STILL is not permanent? It is not ideological man-demonizing poison they have been drinking. It is being discriminated against their whole life and being treated like chattel or worse by the men who are in power -- employers, law enforcement, legislatures, religion, etc. Men are not and never have been the victims. Men are the ones who have the power. Reading history will tell you that.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Can you not see that even though we make up 50% of the population, we are not equally represented in positions of power or even STEM careers.

You'll find the same with men in other type of careers..
There are multiple reasons for this.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Men are not and never have been the victims. Men are the ones who have the power. Reading history will tell you that.

You are a groupthinker and an intersectionalist. *Deleted*. Individual men and women can be victims or not. Throughout history it's always been a minority of men that had the power. Most men were/are disposable. ''Reading history will tell you that.''

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Altair

You are a groupthinker and an intersectionalist. That is your problem. Individual men and women can be victims or not. Throughout history it's always been a minority of men that had the power. Most men were/are disposable. ''Reading history will tell you that.''

No this is reality. Misogyny is real. Females grow up with it. It begins in school. From the ridiculous rules placed on females and what they wear so as not to 'inflame' the boys by showing off their shoulders, clavicles or knees. Discrimination is real. Inequality of the sexes is real.

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by Altair

You are a groupthinker and an intersectionalist. *Deleted*

I'm aware that this quote was not to me, but I'd like to point out something related to this:

I think that the reason why people like you and I are so frustrated with the woke feminists is, we happen to be too serious people to fully understand those who are not. We want our thoughts to make sense. But the mindset the feminist-warriors are in, is not at all like that. They're not trying to make sense and we might miss that part of the picture.

What they are doing is more comparable to when I was 8 years old and I saw Robocop shooting gangsters on TV, I was thrilled and so I too, went out and started shooting imaginary gangsters with my toygun: What a rush! Getting to be the protagonist who takes down the bad guys! Bang bang! Down goes the gangster!

So, what these people are really doing is, not at all them trying to figure out how the world works in a meticulous manner and years of research, but rather they watch some woke movie where a smart, witty heroine exposes patriarchalists, they get all worked up, they get their "toyguns", meaning their bogus pseudo-history and pseudo-sociology and go to the internet and start shooting at the gangsters, exposing the patriarchalists! Woohoo, what a rush! Getting the action! The heroic moment! Being the brave girls fighting the partiarchy! Bang bang! Down goes the partiarchalist!

And just like with the 8-year old me thinking I'm Robocop shooting gangsters, with them it's also very often the case that the situation is totally made up, a fantasy where there is no patriarchalist conspiracy to be exposed in the near proximity, but what do they care, they're in it for the rush of getting to feel like they're saving the day, getting to be the fightin' protagonists...

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Men are not and never have been the victims. Men are the ones who have the power. Reading history will tell you that.

Since you seem to be so ignorant about men's issues. Please allow me to educate you about a big one that touches men all around the globe, including in my home country, Finland. No victimhood competition intended, just for education purposes:

When I was around my 20's, I was drafted to do a military service. My sisters were not drafted, neither were my female classmates, because the law only applies to men. The military service is obligatory. To be clear, "obligatory" means that I had no right to refuse, either I serve in the military, or I go to prison.

The service was an unpleasant thing, and it lasted for a year. No pay btw. But the least funny thing about it is that the service included a mandatory signing up for a future war. Please note that this duty does not include any right to refuse to fight if it turned out that the future war happens to be an unjust war. If there is a war in the future, my sisters will get to flee the country, if they want to. If they choose to stay, that'll be their choice, but I'll be told: Fight or get court-martialed. Do you know what being court-martialed means? It could mean facing either prison or even a firing squad.

In summary, I was subjected to open, legal, sex-based discrimination in a life and death - matter. I'm watching the news and seeing the conscripts fighting a war and thinking that could have been me. And I mean it could be me on either side. Because, as I mentioned earlier, a conscription does not include the right to pick and choose to only fight in the fun wars you really want to fight in. It's a package deal, they point, you shoot. And by "you" I don't mean you actually, because I know that you never got conscripted, because women usually don't.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by ArcticWolf

When I was around my 20's, I was drafted to do a military service.

That is a tiny, infinitesimal drop in the bucket though. Women experience discrimination from an early age. We experience street harassment and are told that it's no big deal to be sexually harassed by strangers on the street. We experience sexual harassment in school and most of the time nothing is done about it. It goes on and on and on. The US has the draft still too. Guys are required to sign up. I agree that it is wrong. The draft should be done away with everywhere, or it should be as it is in Israel and in other countries, both male and females should be required to serve in the military for a required number of years. And women are not equally represented in management in corporations or in government. And definitely not in high paying jobs. It's getting better in the computer field but there is still a long, long way to go before women ever gain pay parity or parity in all fields.

[Altair]

Interesting post. I can follow what you are saying. Besides the far left ideals of the Harmless Man, I think many old stereotypes are also useless.

In the future, we'll have a world where being ''man'' or ''woman'' has become an unimportant part of life.