what does "beyond good and evil'' mean in regard to non duality

[saurab]

Non duality pandits often say that reality is nondual, absolutely beyond good and evil. Have you wondered what that means ? How about killing someone ? Will you do it for the sake of going beyond good and evil (putting your money where your (mouth) theories are) ? Do you know what will stop you from doing it ? Conscience if you are a good person. Life was meant to be good but now there are so many crimes committed everyday, which is all unnatural.

The idea behind nonduality is that good people become even better by embracing evil (or not judging evil). That is all. But if you become evil, you will be far away from the truth with one exception. That exception is that if you absolutely do not mind what you did to someone to be done to you, then you can even torture someone with fire. Then you must face the fire yourself without objection but with some obvious reactions. But even this is not quite correct because you may be a stronger person and hence able to face the fire. So the fire should be hotter for you. Then it is okay.

Originally Posted by saurab

Non duality pandits often say that reality is nondual, absolutely beyond good and evil. Have you wondered what that means ? How about killing someone ? Will you do it for the sake of going beyond good and evil (putting your money where your (mouth) theories are) ? Do you know what will stop you from doing it ? Conscience if you are a good person. Life was meant to be good but now there are so many crimes committed everyday, which is all unnatural.

Killing a person who does Killing and never change by giving many opportunities, is Good for the sake of society. Nothing can be done other than that. Letting them roam around will not be a better thing. Sending them to a Psychic Rehabilitation Centre to change, but he prefers not to go there and never changes even by that, also tries to plot even in being in a prison with few illegal communications, is not good for a society.

Then, Resources. Natural Resources are not abundant but being dominated by few high nations and economies are based on that. Nation like US, plans to keep its position at High, and induces little nation like Ukraine to fight. Until November it insisted Ukraine to fight, but now realizing the horror it created, it urges Ukraine to make some talks with Russia. Russia is always ready for talks, but not Ukraine. Money is more important for survival, and being a slave for some other humans for such survival - being a beggar for such thing, is a bit harsh for humans/nations. Few Nations like Russia/China, think that they have the capacity to not be a Beggar to US and to fight against those Dominance over all other nation's decisions. This thing becomes a threat for US Dollar Value.
AS Europe has many high relations with US based on Dollar, they support Dollar, even though being a slave to US Dollars. They have not the capacity to fight against US's interference in many places.

Things have been smooth in Ukraine until 2020 of their ties with Russia. But, when Ukraine/Zelensky started to go and make ties with US, things get worse. AS Elon Musk pointed out, Crimea is a major Place for Russia as Pearl Harbour for US. If Russia's troops/Relations come near to Pearl Harbour/some other place, will US remain calm?

Now, the battle/killing is only for Money and Dominance. Say, China acquired Dominance, then it will be no different, and it will become like US in future. Every Nation will become a Slave to China, as it happen towards US. One who feels they have the capacity to be not slave, show their strength. The One who dominates, fears of losing his power, shows his Strength.

If Money and Economy is not there at all, and resources are abundant for our desires (like every one is God and can create whatever resources/desires/slaves they wanted - any Luxuries Shoes or Business Class Flight Tickets instantly comes with a Finger Snap, like everyone having all Six powerful stones as Thanos), then no fight will happen. When Money comes, Power also comes. Greed also comes to another seeing the powerful person. In this case, Fight is Inevitable.

Even in Animals and all other living being, this is present for survival and mating with opposite sex, Fight is present. Powerful one wins, and it's species grows for a time. Fight among sperms within our bodies present, which one can reach Egg and Breed, Powerful one wins and many millions dies.

Now, What Non-duality says is that, Good and Bad is structured based on Life and Death. If Life continues without any danger, it is termed as Good. And if Life is threatened, it is portrayed as a Bad thing. Concerns given to Life and Death brings up many laws and ideas, and then concerns given to money for Survival brings up many more laws.

If Life is seen worthless, then Good and Bad notions disappear. If every actions in 120 years of living is not given any importance - be it Humane or Inhumane based on Life and Death, then no duality of Right and Wrong rises.
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Originally Posted by saurab

The idea behind nonduality is that good people become even better by embracing evil (or not judging evil). That is all. But if you become evil, you will be far away from the truth with one exception. That exception is that if you absolutely do not mind what you did to someone to be done to you, then you can even torture someone with fire.

"Not Judging Evil"? Can you Elaborate on that? It means not judging any action as Good/Evil? Not Judging any effects and level of effects of any action?

[Unseeking Seeker]

Consider this: In a nondual state of awareness, the way we look at other forms sees God’s life force within all; the outer form being but dust. As such, there being no ‘others’ ~ all that is, is God indwelling each entity/sentient being. At best, the essence of God as individual soul is recognised as going through its journey, which we respect, as it navigates its way slowly through the maze of illusion.

In such a scenario, with oneness recognised and love being the only real substance, there is no possibility to harm anyone.

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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In such a scenario, with oneness recognised and love being the only real substance, there is no possibility to harm anyone.

Very True.

The outer dust's movement may look like harming in case of War, but only Love Inside.
It may look like Jesus harming Satan, but truly Jesus loves Satan as equal as Every beings.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by saurab

Non duality pandits often say that reality is nondual, absolutely beyond good and evil. How about killing someone ? Will you do it for the sake of going beyond good and evil ... The idea behind nonduality is that good people become even better by embracing evil (or not judging evil). That is all.

Surely non-duality is about more than just embracing the pairs of opposites. Non-duality is the realisation of that state of Being where there are no opposites.

And in this state of Being where there are no opposites there is no-one present to kill or be killed. There are just forms appearing in Unity, actions occurring in stillness.

The idea of good people becoming better is still part of the world of relative existence.

Peace

[FallingLeaves]

good = run toward
evil = run away

as long as you are doing either or both of those things you will find yourself in duality because you have to posit a place to go and a place not to go. And both are different from where you are... e.g. duality.

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by saurab

Non duality pandits often say that reality is nondual, absolutely beyond good and evil. Have you wondered what that means ?
How about killing someone ? Will you do it for the sake of going beyond good and evil (putting your money where your (mouth) theories are) ? Do you know what will stop you from doing it ?
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Saurab, do not deride people who may have views different from yours by calling them 'pundits'. Why should you think yourself as 'the pundit'?
'Vidya dadati vinayam, vinayat yati patratam ..' :)
Beyond good and evil is 'tathastatha', 'anasakti', 'equanimity', not being involved.
Why should I kill anyone? That is against the rules of the society and rules of my country? There has to be a valid and authorized reason for my killing someone else.
Embrace evil? Why? Evil should be punished according to the laws of society and the country. That is necessary for survival of both, and for survival of humanity.
One should think before making a post and posts be short, so that their is no verbiage in them.

[saurab]

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

"Not Judging Evil"? Can you Elaborate on that? It means not judging any action as Good/Evil? Not Judging any effects and level of effects of any action?

Not judging evil means many things. Some of those things are:

1. Accepting that evil on a lesser scale exists even in us, and yet we may not be very unkind to ourselves. So, similarly we can be kind to others as well for their greater evil.

2. Understanding how evil grows in a person. It may start with an evil thought and then grow exponentially because the person believed that evil thought and did not reject it or did not understand it.

3. Knowing and trusting that God could not have created evil beings and so our deepest nature is goodness, and evil is a temporary phase in our life.

[saurab]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Surely non-duality is about more than just embracing the pairs of opposites. Non-duality is the realisation of that state of Being where there are no opposites.

How do you know that non duality implies that there are no opposites ? Just from the meaning of the word nonduality or do you have a non verbal understanding of it ?