On Conception and Abortions --- From A Spiritist Perspective

Originally Posted by hazada guess

That's true.Nobody is 100 percent,but i feel that when the mother feels the baby kicking from inside of her,that's when I feel the soul has decided to make an appearance.

What that experience for the mother doesn't indicate, however, is how long the soul/spirit has been animating the developing form inside of her.

The movement of the baby is simply one aspect of the animating spirit's developing control of its new shell, the 'overcoat' it will use and be seen in as it grows into childhood, adulthood and eventual old age in the years ahead - all being well.

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

Yes, the kicking makes it feel more real that's for sure. An everyday miracle

Being a mother is something we males can never experience hence can never full appreciate or understand.

There are many negative issues surrounding incarnate life as a female but motherhood is unique and many mothers justifiably consider it as super-special.

It's an interesting aspect of life in the etheric that there are no babies there other than those who pass over as such - and then just transiently. Conception and birth may be something experienced only in levels/dimensions 'spiritually similar' to our own.

I'll soon be starting a new thread on this subject - watch this forum!

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

Abortion is a controversial subject for me,but this is what I believe,people may disagree but its just my thinking.
From a souls point of view,some don't join the foetus until just before birth and indeed some enter the body after birth.(Some babies are born with no life in their eyes,that comes later when the soul has joined).Some souls just like being in the womb and they know that they are going to be aborted,souls can join the foetus at any time.
Abortion can be a lesson for the mother to learn,(Preplanned),but whatever happens I think that the mother can rest assured that the soul of the baby will live on whatever happens and could join another body when the time is right.

That is a non-standard understanding that I too have contemplated. Thanks for sharing.

"Abortion can be a lesson for the mother to learn,(Preplanned),but whatever happens I think that the mother can rest assured that the soul of the baby will live on whatever happens and could join another body when the time is right."

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by leadville

It's not necessary to pray for 'babies'. What would we be praying for anyway?

The body that was developing into what we humankind call 'a baby' was animated by a spirit who is eternal and not in any sense the immature being we see as 'a baby'.

Perhaps our prayers should be for the physical and emotional welfare of the parents and especially for the mother whose child-to-be has been lost. That particular child-to-be is indeed lost although its animating spirit is not. Neither is the parent(s)/child association nor any love they may have for each other; they are not lost.

How, where and when the animating spirit becomes the 'composite individual', generally first observed as a developing baby, is moot and a subject suitable for yet another dedicated discussion thread.

I personally found it important to understand "where and when the animating spirit becomes the complete individual" and completely within the scope of this thread.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by leadville

innocent or not innocent? of what?

It is my understanding that the spirit of a newborn child carries with it impressions and attitudes from prior life experiences and may not be as "pure and innocent" as it appears.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

My soul entered the body just before birth,trust me,I remember,i was there.I don't remember anything about an egg etc.

I have a friend who recalls her soul forming a fluid connection with the body at the moment of conception, as the spiritists state.

Without any direct memory of my own birth, I am inclined to go with the "at conception" point ... but I don't know.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

True,but I don't like arguing my point,you have your beliefs and i have mine.All that I can say on the soul and brain bit is I remember falling through blackness towards my to be body,it was only when I had incarnated I started to use my limbs etc.Before that as regards the foetus,it is still reliant on the mother at that point.
My soul didn't have a brain when it was falling as far as I know and the foetus is developed through natural progression only making movements (without thought) until the soul is joined.(If you know what I mean)The soul has separate thoughts about things whilst it is in the body,it only use the brain to move its body parts.Ie,I knew what to say when I was born,i just didn't know how to move my lips and tongue.So the soul uses the body parts via the brain to make its point and movements while incarnated into this planet but is totally separate when it passes.Phew,I hope you can understand all that.

I really appreciate hearing about your memories regarding birth and am assimilating all the material provided in this thread.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by leadville

Being a mother is something we males can never experience hence can never full appreciate or understand.

There are many negative issues surrounding incarnate life as a female but motherhood is unique and many mothers justifiably consider it as super-special.

It's an interesting aspect of life in the etheric that there are no babies there other than those who pass over as such - and then just transiently. Conception and birth may be something experienced only in levels/dimensions 'spiritually similar' to our own.

You raise a very valid point that we males cannot understand at the same level of depth as a woman.

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

It is my understanding that the spirit of a newborn child carries with it impressions and attitudes from prior life experiences and may not be as "pure and innocent" as it appears.

How would do you define 'pure and innocent' in the context of other lifetimes? By using values from the current one or those of the previous ones?

And in the context of the earlier posting, what would one be praying for?