The Oneness enigma

[Unseeking Seeker]

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David, the moment we speak of an idea ... what is it but thought? What is the source of thought other than drawn from memory based on perception of experience invariably in repetitive patterned grooves of stagnation?

There are many layers in letting go ... in unconditioning. Also, it cannot be computed for who computes and on what basis?

So how do we proceed if it is a catch22 situation? Disassociation with all that is ephemeral and hence unreliable. Which is ... all thought, all imagery, all beliefs based upon memory ... everything must go.

What remains? Presence of innocence.

How may it be defined? (Do we hear uncontrollable laughter? )

Stillness & silence.

To what end? A divine connection leading to transcendence or quantum jump in consciousness. An explosion within. When all questions cease.

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[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

So how do we proceed if it is a catch22 situation? Disassociation with all that is ephemeral and hence unreliable. Which is ... all thought, all imagery, all beliefs based upon memory ... everything must go.

What remains?

What 'remains' is the mind-n-spirit 'entity' that sprang from what was into what is - which is your (soul's) present point in THE FLOW of CREATION.

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

To what end? A divine connection leading to transcendence or quantum jump in consciousness. An explosion within.

There is NO 'end'! Your next LIFE-FLOW 'move' is to wherever you decide/choose or feel 'impelled' to 'go'.

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

When all questions cease.

There's that seductive 'cessation'-wish boondoggle, again!

One day - maybe! - you will 'wake up' from that 'bad' (IMO), because it looks to actualize for something that's actually impossible, 'dream'.

You'll get no 'comfort' from me on that score, fellow-being-n-doing.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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So be it then David

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[davidsun]

Originally Posted by davidsun

One day - maybe! - you will 'wake up' from that 'bad' (IMO), because it looks to actualize for something that's actually impossible, 'dream'.

Oops, let me qualify that - there is one way such possibility may be actualized (the way I see Life flowing, that is):

The short version of ‘the full story’ is that, with the benefit of having both (‘unsuccessful’ and ‘successful’) kinds of experiences, souls may incrementally become aware of the ins and outs of the multivarious kinds of liabilities that attend ‘petty’ selfishness and (so) in due course choose as well as ultimately manage to transcend any and all selfish-‘i’dentity based inclinations, such that they eventually become fully functionally capable of and completely devoted to optimizing and augmenting The Entity of Life’s Love and Joy Flow (beyond the scope of their ‘own’ selfish one) and from then on live in a state of ‘at oneness’ (i.e. in conjunction) with said ever‑ongoing process forever (i.e. ‘eternally’) thereafter. The alternative possibility in this ‘ultimate’ regard, of course, being that souls may completely capital ‘F’(!) Fail to do and be so.

The latter possibility derives from the fact that, if and as a soul reacts, as all selfish-ego ensconced (hence ‘immature’ in psychospiritual terms) souls are prone to at least sometimes do, to the frustration(s) and disappointment(s) of personal wishes, hopes, and expectations by becoming even more selfish-gratification oriented (the idea that Life presents us with a series of ‘tests’ which we may either ‘pass’ or ‘fail’ pertains here), and if such all too human reactional tendency isn’t somehow ‘disarmed’ and ‘neutralized’, such that a soul persists in becoming more so, it may eventually become so mentally and emotionally ‘i’solated in the ‘bubble’ of its own ‘petty’ selfishness that whatever inclination and capacity it may have had to experience and express Love and Joy in relation to and with others shrinks and shrivels (i.e. devolves) to the point where it finally becomes completely unloving and unjoyful in relation to Life. What then ‘happens’ (since the Essence of Life is Love and Joy and that is what our Entity is actually the living expression of) is that such soul just ‘blinks out’ and ‘vanishes’ as a psychospiritual pattern (or ‘entity’) from the ‘field’ of Life and therefore completely ‘loses’ the possibility of ever incarnating again as a unit. There is no Love and Joy ‘kernel’ left which can then possibly (re)incarnate and thereby learn and ‘grow’ to the point where it nodally integrates with and thereafter ‘eternally’ lives on as a full-fledged ‘member’ of the ‘Body’ of Life.

Based on what you have shared here, I can't even begin to imagine that that could/would ever be your 'fate', however.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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David, what may conjecturally happen to me or you or anyone in as imagined is not pertinent.

The crux is this : there are no mistakes, only experiences. There is no selfishness or negativity ... only temporary misalignment. In this context you may like to read a channelled session of Buddha by Vijay Mehra right here on SF. Let me see if I can dig it out for you ... ah! Here it is ... http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=128587

It answers most questions we all tend to ask, which resonate if besides asking we also seek.

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[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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David, what may conjecturally happen to me or you or anyone in as imagined is not pertinent.

The crux is this : there are no mistakes, only experiences. There is no selfishness or negativity ... only temporary misalignment. In this context you may like to read a channelled session of Buddha by Vijay Mehra right here on SF. Let me see if I can dig it out for you ... ah! Here it is ... http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=128587

It answers most questions we all tend to ask, which resonate if besides asking we also seek.

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Whatever floats your boat, Bro, go for it!

[Phaelyn]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

all thought, all imagery, all beliefs based upon memory ... everything must go.

One could also say, nothing needs to go. Something needs to appear.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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David, the moment we speak of an idea ... what is it but thought? What is the source of thought other than drawn from memory based on perception of experience invariably in repetitive patterned grooves of stagnation?

There are many layers in letting go ... in unconditioning. Also, it cannot be computed for who computes and on what basis?

So how do we proceed if it is a catch22 situation? Disassociation with all that is ephemeral and hence unreliable. Which is ... all thought, all imagery, all beliefs based upon memory ... everything must go.

What remains? Presence of innocence.

How may it be defined? (Do we hear uncontrollable laughter? )

Stillness & silence.

To what end? A divine connection leading to transcendence or quantum jump in consciousness. An explosion within. When all questions cease.

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Sounds like you are talking about Animism.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

One could also say, nothing needs to go. Something needs to appear.

You mean like:

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

To what end? A divine connection leading to transcendence or quantum jump in consciousness. An explosion within. When all questions cease.

Maybe minus the cease part ... my 'sense' is that curiosity (what am I not yet seeing?) is a vital aspect Life (a/k/a Life) which leads to 'new' Syntheses being made and (therefore and thereby) 'new' Creations appearing.

'New' just meaning previously unknown.

[BigJohn]

[quote=Unseeking Seeker]***

David, what may conjecturally happen to me or you or anyone in as imagined is not pertinent.

The crux is this : there are no mistakes, only experiences. There is no selfishness or negativity ... only temporary misalignment. In this context you may like to read a channelled session of Buddha by Vijay Mehra right here on SF. Let me see if I can dig it out for you ... ah! Here it is ... http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=128587

It answers most questions we all tend to ask, which resonate if besides asking we also seek./QUOTE]

I agree except that of temporary misalignment.


When we say a temporary misalignment we are feeding into negativity
which you already says does not exist.