Understanding Truth

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Maybe an original thought that I mentioned ?

It would be impossible to know if your thought was ' original ' ...imo

Somebody knows….with God all things are possible……

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Somebody knows….with God all things are possible……

How would somebody know Mo

Originally Posted by sky

How would somebody know Mo

Sky,

John 16:13….the Spirit leads unto all truth…..

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Was the truth accessible to him because of an unusually high IQ ?

the 'truth' was accessible to him because he believed God, and acted in accordance with what God said to do. Even when he didn't WANT to. Maybe ESPECIALLY when he didn't want to...

It is something that is available to all of us, but since we don't want anything to do with what God is truly saying (we prefer our own desires to sound doctrine) Jesus came to be the intercessor.

but you don't get to truth by dealing in lies...
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Another person who believed what God had to say is talked about in ISAIAH 53...

again we preferred our own desires to any semblance of 'truth'. (shrugs)

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

the 'truth' was accessible to him because he believed God, and acted in accordance with what God said to do.

FallingLeaves,

Yes….and he believed because he could communicate….and he could communicate because he was spiritual…..God is Spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and truth…..I only spoke of IQ because it processes stimuli from the senses….Spirit is not a sense…..

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Not everything is as simple as one might expect. As mentioned before, correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

I agree with this sentiment. One might be amazed at how much of what science calls cause &effect is simply a matter of correlating two things together then arbitrarily saying one came first and caused the other...

another path to 'faith'.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Molearner

I must trust your knowledge of such things….it is not my forte. Now much of this is a moot point for many, many Christians that believe the Bible is inspired(by the Spirit).

i'm probably wrong anyway, just a moot point I guess. FWIW I don't fully even buy my own ideas... And things will seem different next week anyway I'm sure...

But as far as the physical world being worthless, it was written, as above so below. So in theory, at the very least one can learn about heaven by looking at earth.

But it was also written, what is bound on earth would also be bound in heaven, and what was let loose on earth would also be let loose in heaven. That puts earth solidly as the cause, rather than the effect...

Besides, jesus said we would get to do what he did, and even more!

[keiw1]

Originally Posted by Molearner

If Jesus was just an ordinary man how did he have the audacity to declare that “I am the way, the TRUTH, the life” ? Was the truth accessible to him because of an unusually high IQ ?

Jesus wasnt ordinary--he was godlike-The one God sent-the Messiah--God did it all through him-Acts 2:22- 1Cor 8:5-6-- Jesus said he could do 0 of his own initiative-John 5:30.
He was the first creation. He saw it all. God taught him everything, God gave him all authority.

[winter light]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Hi WL!
Are you asking where the desire (cause) starts? Hmm.
... I have said before here 'desire is what makes the world go round'**.
Where does it start?

Hi Miss Hepburn,

I was not thinking only about desire. That was a background thought though. More I was referring to the idea that in the eternal flow beginnings of cause and endings as effect are kind of arbitrary depending on how you look at it. I am glad that you mentioned desire and made it a personal thing.

There is eternal play going on. Each step begins deep inside as an urge. Maybe even unformed or unknown even as a desire. Then gradually it gathers mental and emotional structure and strength until finally there is a precipitation of event in the outer world. Once this registers it forms yet another and this repeats on an on. The new forms ebb and flow appearing as similar patterns from the past.

Our individual desires I see as an undivided subset of the whole. Our interpretation of each wave is personally understood as well so we get the impression and may even feel like we are the original creator of each event. It is the gift that each of us can experience being a creator.

Then it makes people also wonder what is true. Do I create something, or do we create something, or does God create everything. All somehow suggested to be exclusive of one another. Sometimes in a threatening way even as if there is one right answer that must be defended and there is conflict when people disagree.

But it makes me always ask why they cannot all be true? Because when I see it that way, as combined truth, I understand the system in a peaceful way. But whenever trying to describe that perspective it always leaves me feeling like an outsider. Paradoxically. Because it is rare to see in people's expressions such inclusion with understanding that is free from that conflict. But I see hopeful signs that is changing.