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26-04-2023, 07:52 AM
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Transubstantiation.
Is this explainable to a Non-Christian or should it just be accepted through faith as being a Miracle....
Last edited by sky : 26-04-2023 at 08:39 AM.
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26-04-2023, 08:32 AM
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For non-believers or skeptics, it could be like hypnosis.
In hypnosis shows people can eat an onion thinking it's an apple.
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26-04-2023, 08:45 AM
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Master
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I can see Bread/Wine representing the Body/Blood of Jesus but can't grasp the 'Element's' side to it....
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26-04-2023, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sky
but can't grasp the 'Element's' side to it....
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Well I guess it emphasizes the fact that people see all physical aspects modified. In lucid dreaming I had very convincing experiences, so anything is possible I would say.
I'm reading more about it, but do people really see the flesh and blood of Jesus? Are they not disturbed of being cannibalistic?! |
26-04-2023, 10:27 AM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Guillaume
I'm reading more about it, but do people really see the flesh and blood of Jesus? Are they not disturbed of being cannibalistic?!
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No because Cannibals eat what is dead and Christ is alive in the Eucharistic. I can understand that Jesus is 'present' in the Sacrament but the elements part is puzzling me, It's definitely a thought provoking doctrine for me.... |
26-04-2023, 10:27 AM
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Master
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Jeez Sky have you swallowed a dictionary lol
I had to look that one up!
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26-04-2023, 11:06 AM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Redchic12
Jeez Sky have you swallowed a dictionary lol
I had to look that one up!
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26-04-2023, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sky
but the elements part is puzzling me, It's definitely a thought provoking doctrine for me....
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I believe in alchemy (being able to transmute elements doesn't seem crazy, it's all protons electrons neutrons, all energy of some form)
But I think mind control / hypnosis is easier to do, with the same result in people's minds.
You can also view it as a trust system, like the monetary exchange in which the face value is different from the actual exchange value. In this case there are two co-existing realities, one in people's minds, and another in the physical reality. |
26-04-2023, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sky
Is this explainable to a Non-Christian or should it just be accepted through faith as being a Miracle....
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Sky,
Is there missing context here ? First is it explainable to Christians who are not Catholic ? |
26-04-2023, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Molearner
Sky,
Is there missing context here ? First is it explainable to Christians who are not Catholic ?
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Im referring to Non-Christians Mo. |
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