A theory of higher-dimensional entities viewed through the lens of Eastern Philosophy

[NoOne]

I did a write up and summary of some of the things we regularly discuss on this forum for Curt Jaimungal’s r/TheoriesOfEverything subreddit, since it is always nice to have this info summarised in one post, I'll post it here.

Curt is a theoretical physicist with a very active youtube channel, where he interviews UFO researchers, scientists, spiritual masters, etc... in his quest to arrive at a theory of everything. This is my small contribution to his work, which was received positively by him.

In a recent “Theories of Everything” youtube episode, that dealt with the subject of UFOs and UAPs (might have been the one with Luis Elizondo), Curt Jaimungal expressed his frustration in trying to imagine what a higher-dimensional being might even be like.

This prompted me to give my own perspective.

I am assuming that Curt has ancestors from the Indian Subcontinent and is therefore familiar with the beings known as the Devas. Deva means shining one and is used to denote the deities and gods of the major indigenous religions of India, such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. We usually translate Devas as Gods, but that is somewhat misleading as Devas were not originally believed to have the attributes of what we in the West conceive of as a being that is omnipotent and omniscient, or even immortal, for that matter.

Devas are extremely long-lived, sometimes with life-spans nearly as long as the universe itself. They are believed to be beings of light and are mostly distinguished by their awesome effulgence and radiance. Although some are believed to reside on other planets, their place of abode is usually signified as existing on a higher plane of existence. These higher planes of existence, I believe, are substantially, realms that exist in more dimensions than ours does.

Michio Kaku actually writes about this in his books, as an interesting side-note on String Theory. He posits, theoretically, what the characteristics of a higher-dimensional being might be. These include abilities such as time travel, seeing past, present and future, the ability to enter lower-dimensional (that is our) reality at will and exit it at any given point, both in time and space, the ability to pass through solid objects without resistance, etc…

Notice, how his descriptions overlap substantially with the abilities ascribed to both supernatural beings and UFOs. I believe this is where the two phenomena do meet and an intersection between the two becomes too obvious to ignore.

During my own spiritual practice, I have encountered such beings, who, to my satisfaction, were entirely real, though I realise of course that such personal accounts would not cut it in the field of empirical science. Still, if you will indulge me for a minute and put your scepticism aside, I believe some of my experiences with higher-dimensional beings may be instructive in understanding the nature of reality, the existence of high-strangeness events surrounding UFOs and many other mysteries that we are constantly baffled by.

My own very first encounter was with a Goddess of the Sumerian pantheon, known as Inana, who later morphed into many different deities in different cultures as her cult spread east and west, becoming, among others, Durga, Astarte and Aphrodite.


I encountered her as I was undergoing a spiritual process known as Kundalini Awakening (the famous Quantum Physicist Carl Friedrich Von Weizsacker, wrote about this in his foreword to Gopi Krishna’s very first book, where he analysed the Kundalini mechanism’s philosophical and scientific significance), which was causing a great deal of difficulty in my life. I connected to this ancient deity through artefacts connected to her worship exhibited at the British Museum in London.

I won’t go into the details of our encounter here, except to note that it was very similar to what others, who have also gone through a similar spiritual experience have reported over the millennia, usually in connection with tantric deities, belonging to the Hindu and Buddhist pantheons. The interesting point here is what kind of insights my encounters can give us into the nature of higher-dimensional existence.

I would draw your attention to the Buddhist classification of planes of existence, or lokas, as they are called in Sanskrit, a good summary can be found here:

The Thirty-one Planes of Existence (accesstoinsight.org)

Subsequent to my visitation by Inana, I was given a brief insight into two of the highest planes on the list:


(29) Infinite Consciousness (viññanañcayatanupaga deva)

(28) Infinite Space (akasanañcayatanupaga deva)

Where, it is said, that: “ The inhabitants of these realms are possessed entirely of mind. Having no physical body, they are unable to hear Dhamma teachings.”

My experience on the plane of infinite consciousness, was that of unending bliss and joy, omniscience, boundlessness and a complete lack of dimensionality.


This part is very hard to explain, but I experienced a complete lack of dimensions, as well as an infinite number of dimensions at the same time. There was no space and time and yet, they were also infinite. Perhaps I experienced the two highest planes in this fashion, which is hard to establish without other first-hand accounts to compare my experience to, but the progressions described in Buddhist teachings is how I experienced them. The two highest planes are described as thus:


(31) Neither-perception-nor-non-perception (nevasaññanasaññayatanupaga deva)

(30) Nothingness (akiñcaññayatanupaga deva)


The other experience I had was that of universality, it felt like I was the whole universe in myself and there was nothing beyond me. This also gave me the experience of omniscience, in that when I was in this universal state, however briefly (significantly less than an hour), I understood everything. All the questions I ever had about the universe, existence, the meaning of life, etc… were instantly answered and all the knowledge of the universe was available to me in a manner that would be utterly impossible to experience with the limitations of a physical body.

Another noteworthy feature of this expansive experience was that of light. It was everywhere, overwhelming, indescribably joyous and blissful, all-pervading, intelligent and contained incredible amounts of knowledge and wisdom. I myself became that light for a brief period. When I expanded into this infinite state, my body and with it, the physical world was left entirely behind. Subsequently, I found that some NDE experiencers describe a similar experience after they die briefly and then return.

When I returned to my body, I found it to be small and constricted and I could only recall a very small fraction of the knowledge I possessed in my universal state.

The details above are all important, because they serve as a framework, to go down on the list of Worlds, which according to Buddhist teaching are grouped into four categories.


I discussed some of the characteristics of the Immaterial World (arupa-loka) above, which contains four planes of existence. The second category is the Fine Material World (rupa-loka), which has 16 planes of existence. This is the world where higher-order Devas reside, such as the one that has visited me. They are characterised using various epithets, with radiance, effulgence, glory and beauty being their primary characteristics.

From my own personal experience, the Devas of this realm have incredible splendour and radiance. Their bodies are made of an unknown state of matter, which I and other observers have described as liquid light. They can manifest denser, humanoid bodies, but in their primary state, they are light beings. The light they are made of does not consist of the usual photons observable to us in our physical realm, including with scientific instruments. The light they are made of is coherent, like that of a laser beam, but also coagulant, in that their bodies settle into a rough shape, that is very difficult to discern because of the incredible radiance of their bodies. The radiation coming off them, isn’t just bright, but also hot. When they are very close to you it feels like another sun radiating right next to you. They do have the ability to touch, which, startlingly, feels very much like a human touch and one can easily discern, the gender, general disposition and intentions of the higher-dimensional light being that thus approaches.


When a Deva enters our reality, we perceive it as them coming from above, but this is in the sense of them descending into a lower realm from their higher plane of existence. Still, the distinct perception of descent and then ascent when they leave is unmistakable. There is also a sound, which I can only describe as that of radiance and splendour. I imagine that the sun would give off a very similar sound if we could listen to it from close by.

Higher-dimensional light beings communicate telepathically, using pure thought, though others I know who have encountered them report hearing them speak. I imagine, that these friends of mine have received thought transmissions as well and it is their own brain that turns these into a sound pattern they can recognise. Since these beings have no physical bodies (although myths describe their ability to manifest one temporarily), they cannot speak in the sense that we can, by generating soundwaves, so their thoughts have to be transmitted as pure thought, which I presume is transmitted by the light they emanate.

Some other noteworthy features of these light-beings include:

- They float, propelled by the energy they are made up of

- When they appear, they change the nature of spacetime around them. One gets the distinct impression, that time doesn’t move to the same rhythm when they are around, or might even be non-existent. There is a distinct impression, that when they descend into physical reality and one shares a space with them, some sort of space-time bubble or distortion is created, in which the usual passage of time and perhaps the laws of the physical universe change.

- They have healing powers, can touch someone and cause energetic changes in the body, including sensations of vibration, heat, out-of-body experiences and a perception of time dilation. I can personally attest to the effectiveness of their healing abilities as can a few other people who have been visited by them.

- The overwhelming feeling they radiate is that of love, compassion and wisdom. They send information through their radiance which means an encounter with them is always calming, soothing and uplifting

Having discussed the characteristics of the beings that inhabit the second world, Rupa-Loka, it is time to look at the third world, known as The Sensuous World or Kama-Loka. The inhabitants of these worlds are lower-order Devas and they would be closer to the beings usually described by UFO/UAP witnesses or experiencers. Since these beings exist in planes close to our own (we are believed to live on the lowest of the 7 planes of the Kama-Loka) they are the most likely to visit us. It is instructive to read descriptions of the 3 planes directly above our own, meaning beings located there are almost as physical as we are, but are perhaps in a spectrum of matter that doesn’t normally interact with our own, possibly falling within the definition of “Dark” matter and energy, or alternatively, existing in a parallel reality very close in its base vibration (in the sense of how string theory would describe different, parallel realities as vibrating to slightly different frequencies) to our own, just divergent enough, that we cannot perceive or interact with it under normal circumstances.

According to Buddhism, the below devas are our closest neighbours:

“ (8) Yama devas (yama deva) These devas live in the air, free of all difficulties.

(7) The Thirty-three Gods (tavatimsa deva) Sakka, a devotee of the Buddha, presides over this realm. Many devas dwelling here live in mansions in the air.

(6) Devas of the Four Great Kings (catumaharajika deva) Home of the gandhabbas, the celestial musicians, and the yakkhas, tree spirits of varying degrees of ethical purity. The latter are analogous to the goblins, trolls, and fairies of Western fairy tales. “

Notice, that the above classification would provide a plausible explanation as to the nature of many “high strangeness” events and even cryptozoological phenomena routinely observed in the vicinity of UFOs. Interestingly, Yama and Tavatimsa Devas are described as having a very close affiliation with the air and flying, a fact widely depicted in Buddhist and Hindu art.


So, in summary, Eastern Philosophies actually provide a plausible framework, through which we can view the world of religion, UFOs and High Strangeness, “spooky” occurrences and events. To my mind at least, it is beyond reasonable doubt that many of the mythological beings described by the ancients are of this category, that is they come from higher planes of existence and their lower orders are responsible for UFO and High Strangeness phenomena, whereas their higher orders form the basis of religious experience and myth.

Perhaps we should define what a theory is as opposed to a hypothesis.

Here, I find "theory" banded about as a metaphor but parading itself as if
a fact along with 'law' as it applies to physics. I suppose it imparts a feel of authority.
That may comfort people but is delusion.
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[jro5139]

Well NoOne, that resonated with me, having had one of those transmissions that you spoke of. From what I perceived of these beings, they don't have bodies that they are attached to like we are ours, however, they could have a body if desired. Most definitely beings of a higher existence with the ability to access ours. For me, they communicated through my own brain, telepathically, but most definitely in their own wording. Thanks for posting this.

Originally Posted by NoOne

Deva means shining one and is used to denote the deities and gods of the major indigenous religions of India, such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

Not only but also. The root word is div/devi while the Sumerians used the root word 'El' - as in the ang-el Micha-el etc.. Keeping it very brief here. In Ireland they were known as the Tautha de Danaan or 'the Children of Diana' and it's most likely the origin of their fairies and leprechauns. In South America they are known as the Virachochas but the translation for that is specifically Golden Ones. That's not to mention many North American Indian tribes who knew about them in various shapes or forms.

Originally Posted by NoOne

We usually translate Devas as Gods,

We do in the West but not in the East, they were revered yes, but not elevated to the position of gods. And the Eastern gods are very different to Western gods. The Shining Ones were 'real' venerated beings who walked among them while the Eastern gods are usually personifications.

Originally Posted by NoOne

Devas are extremely long-lived, sometimes with life-spans nearly as long as the universe itself. They are believed to be beings of light and are mostly distinguished by their awesome effulgence and radiance.

Legend has it that they mined monoatomic gold - the reason Adam/Adammu was created - that made their skin shine. It supposedly also gave them long life and there is some science to back some of that up.

Originally Posted by NoOne

Although some are believed to reside on other planets, their place of abode is usually signified as existing on a higher plane of existence. These higher planes of existence, I believe, are substantially, realms that exist in more dimensions than ours does.

It's also believed that they are Atlantean survivors and that fits in here.

Originally Posted by NoOne

Notice, how his descriptions overlap substantially with the abilities ascribed to both supernatural beings and UFOs. I believe this is where the two phenomena do meet and an intersection between the two becomes too obvious to ignore.

Spooky, isn't it? It's also worth having a look at the Mahabarat and their descriptions of Vimanas and the wars of the 'gods', because it reads like sci-fi. Did you know they had laser beams and phasers?

Originally Posted by NoOne

To my mind at least, it is beyond reasonable doubt that many of the mythological beings described by the ancients are of this category, that is they come from higher planes of existence and their lower orders are responsible for UFO and High Strangeness phenomena, whereas their higher orders form the basis of religious experience and myth.

Do your understanding a huge favour and forget all this 'higher' and 'lower' stuff because it really doesn't help, and associating 'higher' with 'Spiritual' is not Spiritual.

Originally Posted by NoOne

From what I perceived of these beings, they don't have bodies that they are attached to like we are ours, however, they could have a body if desired.

Grab yourself a copy of Whatever Dreams May Come by Robin Williams on DVD, a bucket of popcorn and a few beers. Oh, and tissues, don't forget them. But watch it through 'Spiritual eyes' because it helps explain reality itself, or it'll at least explain what you're talking about here.

[NoOne]

Hiya Greenslade,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Personally, I am not a fan of the Ancient Aliens theory. Not because I think we haven't been visited by ETs, but because it reduces our ancient gods to simple flesh-and-blood beings, who are merely a technologically more advanced version of humanity.

I think that view is incorrect and blasphemous even.

In my experience, the Shining Ones are called that, because they are literally made of light, they are light-beings, not flesh and blood physical creatures like we are.

I have seen What Dreams May Come. It is a great movie, with a terrible theology. If you follow their logic, everybody would eventually end up in forever Hell, due to the law of probabilities.

As for the higher and lower stuff, it is indeed relevant. Whatever way you want to slice it, whether in terms of dimensions, densities or whatnot, it is an important of how the universe is structured.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by NoOne

I think that view is incorrect and blasphemous even.

from what I understand such have to exist, as another thing people who aren't strong enough to fully believe in god can point to when they are trying to explain the unexplainable.

there always has to be an apparent cause even for the causeless... because as it seems one cannot live without a place to rest one's head.

as for feeling I see a lot of people striving for or adhereing to one feeling or another... and I wonder sometimes what is beyond the adoration of a single cherished feeling.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Deep insights and highly evolved experiences, NoOne, thanks for sharing!

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

Deep insights and highly evolved experiences, NoOne, thanks for sharing!

I had never seen this thread...Yes! I agree.
and thank you.