Can we talk about this?

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Podshell

Gem, we don't usually grow food on roads,shops or in factories, natural environments thrive , coral reef and rainforest are awash with Diversity and a abundances, if we used our noggin we could make them even better, no need to import loads of junk that much ends up in landfill

Living off the landscape involves 'hungry times', and it's generally a tough existence, but it's a happy way to live. It's best for people to understand nature's ways and emulate eco systems for our own needs. Thus we have a biosymbotic place in the ecology. That wouldn't support current populations, but it's normal for species to go through waves of flourishing and dying off. Not tidal waves, just fluctuations.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Altair

We're not ''frugivores'' but omnivores. Wouldn't have eyes in front and so good at hunting and digesting animal food if we weren't.
But veganism and fruitarianism are extreme diets, and we have seen a counter response from conservative crazies that now go full meat,

I think we should minimize animal suffering, Go for yogurt instead of beef, and look for other vegetarian options. It's not perfect but it's the middle road.

These ideas about 'what we are' come from a 'one size fits all' mentality, which does not work mostly because no one sticks to one thing for very long. The number of people who would go vegan is next to none, and the number who sustain it m8ight as well be zero. Virtue eaters like vegans and frugarians are convinced they are right and what they say is best. Some of them claim to be trained in the science, but the scope of knowledge, meta-analyses, rarely support their claims. They will say science is corrupt, but appeal to whatever supports their shtick and dismiss the stuff that doesn't.

My approach is different because I say get your calories right, get good protein and micronutrients. This can be done in many ways, which is actually successful because the only thing that 'works' is whatever you can stick to. If you want to change that, fine, the new way will also work. After a while the vegan might want to be keto - the same principles apply. I personally wouldn't suggest either of those, but if someone wanted to, I going say how to do it right (according to first principles).

When I was in the fitness world pre-covid, I was very successful, and I never once said 'the natural human diet' or even had a preferential approach to eating. I just asked, listened, and fit their tastes and preferences. It all works just fine.

I'd have a scale from good to excellent. If all you can do is get calories right, that's good. If you get the protein right as well, even better, If you do that and also get all your micronutrients, very good. If you do that with a regular daily eating schedule (eg. IF), outstanding, and if you get all that on point, as well as ensure you supplement any shortfalls - excellent! Vegan. Meat. Vegetarian whatever - it works with all the different 'human diets' that dogmatic diet gurus are selling. It's just that they fail because they aren't flexible. I succeed because there's so many ways to skin a cat.

Secretly, I would advocate vegitarianism, but it wouldn't work because practically no one is going to stick to it - me included. It's just that they might start eating meat and it still works anyway.

Hence I agree with your approach, but I can't say 'it's best'. Ideally it probably is, but what's ideal and what's real are different things.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Gem

Secretly, I would advocate vegitarianism, but it wouldn't work because practically no one is going to stick to it - me included. It's just that they might start eating meat and it still works anyway.

Hence I agree with your approach, but I can't say 'it's best'. Ideally it probably is, but what's ideal and what's real are different things.

Many people stick to it, and anyone interested in Eastern spirituality should take it seriously considering most teachers and works advocate for a vegetarian diet.

As for nutrition, I already get 40g protein with just breakfast alone. It is a non-issue.

[OldChap]

Originally Posted by Altair

OldChap, I do not wish to entertain on such 'thoughts'. It is IMO a poor excuse for slaughterhouses and needless slaughter in general of fellow beings. It is also not in alignment with any credible spiritual teaching. This idea that all of them simply incarnate to be slaughtered all for our gain is also very human centric.

Who we are now and how we behave now is the accumulation of all our human experiences in other lifetimes here, stored as multi-dimensional quantum energy within the hundreds of trillions of DNA in our own body.

If someone had been a meat eater for many other lifetimes, that person’s body might not function well if forced to eat plants in this lifetime. Very difficult to focus on our spiritual growth when the body is ill and weak.

The human body is much smarter than we think. It knows what is needed to stay alive and healthy. Though we have free will to listen to our body or not.

There is a greater and grander system at work here beyond the believability of human 3d intelligence and logic. Nothing is ever random or coincidental.

So why are we here in the physical form pretending to be humans? And why in nature there is a wide variation in every species but for humans there is only one?

This beautiful planet was meticulously refined for human habitation. It is not arrogant to say we are the primary player and everything else plays the supporting role for our survival so we could do what we came here to do which has everything to do with free will.

Loving mothers who put their lives in danger even to the point of their demise to protect their children we call that beautiful unconditional love, yet we don’t see the same beautiful unconditional love when animals sacrifice themselves for human survival.

The further we move along the spiritual path to love, the more we will understand whatever one believes in is the right believe for that person’s personal state of consciousness. No judgment, only love and compassion.

Always good to keep in mind that love unites, never divides. Do away with discriminating against meat eaters with the believe that plant eaters are spiritually better.

There are some things which are far more important for our spiritual growth than our diet choice.

While “credible spiritual teaching” helps with our spiritual maturity, nothing beats the influx of greater information through the multi-dimensional portal in our body that is the pineal gland. Greater knowledge and wisdom not filtered through the minds of humans than could distort, manipulate, or corrupt through misunderstanding, misinterpretation, mistranslation, exaggeration, embellishment, or ill intent.

Hence many spiritual and religious teachings reminded people to look within.

We are much more than just simply tiny human bodies. Within us is a piece of what some call God that is pure unconditional love. We are all extensions of God here in the physical form pretending to be humans for a divine purpose.

Love, honour, and respect for all that sacrificed themselves including plants to support our endeavour here. That thought is much more powerful than we know.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by OldChap

If someone had been a meat eater for many other lifetimes, that person’s body might not function well if forced to eat plants in this lifetime. Very difficult to focus on our spiritual growth when the body is ill and weak.

This is just woo, OldChap. We have the body we have now, and all of us are omnivores. So a possible ''past life'' is out of the picture, you have the body you have now. It has its needs. I do not believe in veganism, neither do I believe in spiritual justification of slaughterhouses. We need some animal food, but that doesn't mean we need mega industrialized farms where animals are pure products.


Side note: By the way, my comment was almost two months ago.

This beautiful planet was meticulously refined for human habitation.

Most land is barely habitable, which is why most humans are living around bodies of water and growing their crops in fertile soil. We do what we can to adapt, and we're not any less miserable about it than other organisms. The rest is a story conjured up by our mind. There is no big human in the sky that thought hey lets make a world ideal for copies of myself. Nature is a constant battlefield, only the human at rest foolishly assumes peace is the only place to be, which is what all of us here chase after through spiritual practices. He sees a nice tree and thinks oh that was made for me specifically, everything points to THIS moment, just because my mind says it is nice whilst I sit under it. But it is an extremely self indulgent way to look at the universe. Ironically by the very people that say there is no self.

[OldChap]

Originally Posted by Altair

This is just woo, OldChap ...

"This is just woo, OldChap. We have the body we have now, and all of us are omnivores. So a possible ''past life'' is out of the picture, you have the body you have now. It has its needs."

Where do the intuitions or gut feelings we each have even at a very young age come from? And why those are different for each person?

The young children with extra-ordinary abilities we call gifted, prodigies, or geniuses, where and how did they acquire those mastery abilities from?

And why some people stay so calm and peaceful even amidst chaos and adversity, always knowing what to do or always making the right choices?

Answer is they had many lifetimes honing their skills and accumulating experiences all of which are stored as multi-dimensional quantum energy in the big part of our DNA some scientists call junk because our 3d technology could not detect it.

It is not woo woo, but based in advance science of advance energies and physics.




"Side note: By the way, my comment was almost two months ago."

Age of the post doesn't matter. Synchronicity allows me to see your post, and my replies reach out to you and others.




"Most land is barely habitable, which is why most humans are living around bodies of water and growing their crops in fertile soil. We do what we can to adapt, and we're not any less miserable about it than other organisms. The rest is a story conjured up by our mind."

Did this beautiful planet just happen to sit at the right distance from our Sun without scorching and freezing everything. What about photosynthesis, did that just happen out of the blue?

Try living on Mercury or Jupitar like how we live here and see what will happen to us.




"There is no big human in the sky that thought hey lets make a world ideal for copies of myself. "

Not a big human in the sky. It's multi-dimensional quantum energy that exists everywhere and in everything, and hence human 3d concepts of time and space do not apply. Some scientists have already discovered that an object could be at two different places at the same time. Now extend that to multi-dimensional quantum energy which could "split" into unlimited parts with all parts remaining energetically connected and entangled. Interestingly, parts of the human body are multi-dimensional quantum energy receivers and transmitters. Who or what are we in constant connection and entanglement with?




"Nature is a constant battlefield, only the human at rest foolishly assumes peace is the only place to be, which is what all of us here chase after through spiritual practices."

It's not peace, but love. And peace is not the end goal for humanity, rather it is the pre-requisite for many more benevolent things to come.

Peace comes from knowing. Not knowing causes fear and anxiety.

What allows us to know more? It is love. Love greatly opens the multi-dimensional quantum portal in every human body that is the pineal gland, allowing us access to far greater knowledge and truths beyond the limitations of our 3d reality.

Actually, the pineal portal has always been opened, rather it is our unbelieve and not knowing that kept the portal "closed". Dreaming is when the portal shifts us out of 3d to multi-dimensional.




Altair, totally understand your reaction as what have been stated might not align with your personal beliefs, experiences, and truths. Free will allows us that.

Imagine telling people who lived two thousand years ago that we all could fly at unbelievably high speeds above the clouds in what we nowadays call airplanes, or telling them that we could instantly conjure up anyone from around the world to see and converse with in real-time using a small handheld device we commonly use nowadays that is the smartphone.

Those ancient people are so many levels of technology away from knowing the science behind the making and working of airplanes and smartphones. Anyone who espouses such information will be mocked for being delusional, locked up for being insane, or worse be burned at the stakes to rid them of demons.

Nothing is ever random or coincidental, including why we are here in the physical form as humans gifted with free will.

This 3d part of reality we are living in is just a very tiny part of the vast whole multi-dimensional reality.

What some call reborn, awakening, enlightenment, and many other words refers to a person who realizes there is much more beyond this reality.

We might think we know a lot, but we really don't. The more we know, the more we will realize how very little we do know. And what we know might not even be the truth or is the incomplete truth.

Take for example, everything in this universe regardless of mass or density revolves around the center of this universe at a constant speed. That alone totally contradicts our well established Newtonian Laws of Physics.

All the best!

[Altair]

Did this beautiful planet just happen to sit at the right distance from our Sun without scorching and freezing everything. What about photosynthesis, did that just happen out of the blue?

Try living on Mercury or Jupitar like how we live here and see what will happen to us.

Actually, Mercury and Jupiter as well as other planets are amazing in their own way. Everything is unique, not us but also chameleons, oak trees, a football game, a new list of ingredients for a cake, or indeed Jupiter. So at the same time, anything in particular is not really an argument to be exceptionally consciously guided by some creator. It all just is the way it is.

By the way, what you said in your post isn't about the topic any more so I'm kinda phased out now, no biggie if you don't mind.