Remembering Moses

Moses was denied entrance to the Promised Land but appeared at the Transfiguration…….think about that….in depth….

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Moses was denied entrance to the Promised Land but appeared at the Transfiguration…….think about that….in depth….

Well He (Moses) got to the Promised Land after all, better late than never

[Miss Hepburn]

Ah, fun little observation. Shows things on this earth don't matter so much ...it's where you end up eternally, I suppose!
Again, the Big Picture is what counts to me.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Ah, fun little observation. Shows things on this earth don't matter so much ...it's where you end up eternally, I suppose!
Again, the Big Picture is what counts to me.

Reading your comment about the "big picture), the image that popped up in my mind was of a man (or a woman) watching an airplane in the sky and falling into a hole he/she didn't notice ... :)

Watching your phone while walking on a sidewalk is a similar scenario.

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[Maisy]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Moses was denied entrance to the Promised Land but appeared at the Transfiguration…….think about that….in depth….

The "Promised Land" was just land on earth wasn't it? The area beyond Jorden? "Good hill country and Lebanon."

Deuteronomy 3:23-7:11
English Standard Version
Moses Forbidden to Enter the Land
25 Please let me go over and see the good land beyond the Jordan, that good hill country and Lebanon.’ 26 But the Lord was angry with me because of you and would not listen to me. And the Lord said to me, ‘Enough from you; do not speak to me of this matter again.

The Transfiguration appearances were about OT prophecies and the Messiah claims I think.

[sky]

Moses and Elijah represented the Law and the Prophets, when God’s voice from Heaven surposedly cried 'Listen to Him' showed that the Law and the Prophets have to give way to Jesus who is the new living way..Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies in the OT..... Imo.

Originally Posted by Maisy

The "Promised Land" was just land on earth wasn't it?
The Transfiguration appearances were about OT prophecies and the Messiah claims I think.

Maisy,

First….metaphorically and symbolically the Promised Land is much more than just land on earth…..to understand the Bible one must move beyond the literal meaning. There is much to unpack from the scenario of my OP……and why I urged for it to be studied in depth.

Regardless of whether Moses reached the promised land as evidenced by his appearance at the transfiguration the fact is he did not ‘lead’ his people there. Instead that job fell to Joshua.

It is significant to know that the name ‘Jesus’ is transliteration of the Hebrew ‘Joshua’….meaning Jehovah is salvation/is the savior.

Moses disobeyed God by striking the rock twice….Numbers 20:8….God had told him to speak to the rock….not to strike it. In Exodus 17:6 God had told Moses to strike the rock so that ‘water’ would come out of it. Think about ‘rock’…..how can water come from a rock or why would one speak to a rock ? 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 provides an answer….verse 4….”they drank from the spiritual rock….and that rock was Christ”.

Striking the ‘rock’(Christ) in Exodus 17 meant sacrificing for our salvation….to strike multiple times(Numbers 20) would indicate that Christ would be more than a onetime sacrifice.. Moses represented the law and the law brings death….Romans 7:9-11…and numerous other verses.

John 1:17….”For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” The grace of God provided Moses admission to the Transfiguration. Symbolically Jesus(Joshua) led the people to the Promised Land and to salvation.

I might add that to the credit of Moses that he did obey all the instructions of God in preparing Joshua to lead the people into the promised land…..

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by sky

Moses and Elijah represented the Law and the Prophets, when God’s voice from Heaven surposedly cried 'Listen to Him' showed that the Law and the Prophets have to give way to Jesus who is the new living way..Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies in the OT..... Imo.

I agree I think that's how Christianity represents it. Of course Judaism teaches Jesus did not fulfill the OT prophecies. That's why Jews don't believe in Jesus. The Messiah was supposed to be a King on earth I think. The Bible says the Messiah will:

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

[Maisy]

Elijah confuses me. I think the bible prophesized Elijah would come on Judgement Day before the Messiah comes and judges everyone.

A prophecy in Malachi 4:5-6 indicates that Elijah will return in the Last Days. It says, “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

Then you have Elijah appearing with Moses and they both talked to Jesus and this was not on Judgement day. All of them were like bright lights. And then this happened:

Matthew 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

So the bible says John the Baptist was Elijah because Elijah was prophesized to come before the Messiah (on Judgement day) who Jesus was claiming to be. But then Elijah is talked about in Kings and his name was Elijah so is the bible saying Elijah came back (reincarnated) as John the Baptist?

According to the Books of Kings in the Hebrew Bible, Elijah was a prophet and a miracle worker who lived in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reign of King Ahab (9th century BCE). In 1 Kings 18, Elijah defended the worship of the Hebrew God over that of the Canaanite deity Baal. God also performed many miracles through Elijah, including resurrection, bringing fire down from the sky, and entering heaven alive "by fire". He is also portrayed as leading a school of prophets known as "the sons of the prophets". Following his ascension, Elisha, his disciple and most devoted assistant, took over his role as leader of this school. The Book of Malachi prophesies Elijah's return "before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD" (Judgement Day)

Jewish leaders asked St. John if he was Elijah and he said no. Seems like they all believed in reincarnation back then. Why else were they trying to figure out who Elijah came back as?

Jews asking St. John if he was Elijah.

John 1:19-51 New International Version
19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.”21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

Pretty confusing to me. I think to some Christians the second coming is believed to be when Judgement day will be and the prophecies of the OT will be fulfilled.