Reincarnation scares me

[bobjob]

Much as it's fun to debate this stuff, it's sadguy's problem that started this thread and it's his problem that's more important than our general debate over reincarnation.

Mind you there's no saying he'll take any notice of anything we say anyway.....

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Altair

Yeah, there are people ''of the world'', who learned about other cultures and may have considered the possibility..
But most people would never have heard of the belief. Today, many people have and it's an attractive belief for many.

Actually, it seems as if the idea of rebirth in new bodies was part of the old European pagan traditions, and they would never have heard of Eastern cultures.

Of course, Christianity opposed the idea of reincarnation because it makes their doctrines of salvation redundant. Therefore they suppressed the old traditions.

Peace

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by bobjob

Much as it's fun to debate this stuff, it's sadguy's problem that started this thread and it's his problem that's more important than our general debate over reincarnation.

Agree, but sadguy347's anxiety is all about the question of having to reincarnate in a new physical form and go through childhood etc. It sounds as if he had a difficult time growing up and he does not want to repeat the experience. Therefore he looks for an alternative to having to reincarnate. But next time round he will be a different personality and he or she could have a wonderful childhood.

Peace

[Native spirit]

That is so true there is no telling what his next incarnation will be it could be the complete opposite to this one.
The only thing to fear is fear itself.



Namaste

[bobjob]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Agree, but sadguy347's anxiety is all about the question of having to reincarnate in a new physical form and go through childhood etc. It sounds as if he had a difficult time growing up and he does not want to repeat the experience. Therefore he looks for an alternative to having to reincarnate. But next time round he will be a different personality and he or she could have a wonderful childhood.

Peace

To be fair we don't know the full extent or breadth of what causes his distress and without a fundamental understanding of survival et al he's not likely to follow what others try to tell him about reincarnation.

The reality is that any certainty is only in our own minds.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Actually, it seems as if the idea of rebirth in new bodies was part of the old European pagan traditions, and they would never have heard of Eastern cultures.Of course, Christianity opposed the idea of reincarnation because it makes their doctrines of salvation redundant. Therefore they suppressed the old traditions.Peace

Outside of Pythagoras and his followers, there isn't much substantial evidence of it being a big part of the old traditions. Pythagoras' gang was also just one tradition within the larger Greek religious context. Belief in reincarnation wasn't exactly the norm.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Altair

Outside of Pythagoras and his followers, there isn't much substantial evidence of it being a big part of the old traditions. Pythagoras' gang was also just one tradition within the larger Greek religious context. Belief in reincarnation wasn't exactly the norm.

I have to disagree. For example, the Orphics in Ancient Greece were a pagan sect who believed in reincarnation. German Eddic poetry refers to people taking on new bodies, and the same is found in Norse and Baltic and Slavic traditions.

Appian of Alexandria wrote about the belief in the revival of the soul among the Germanic tribes, mentioning that the Teutons had no fear of death because they hoped to be reborn.

Caesar wrote about the Celts: Druids, above all, want to instill the conviction that the soul does not die, but passes after death from one body to another and they believe that this faith, by removing the fear of death, stimulates valor.

Lucan also wrote the same: Hence the spirit of them is ready to throw themselves at the sword fight with courage, which can die slow to save life, because it is to be reborn.

I would suggest that belief in reincarnation was quite normal in many parts of Europe until Christianity arrived.

Peace

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Altair

You realize you interpret it that way, do you? When Ceasar says the Celts believed that they got another body after death, or when poetry talks about new bodies, it does not have to imply it's another body in this world. It could be a form in the afterlife. And beliefs in an afterlife were pretty much universal.

Or perhaps this is your interpretation as you do not believe in reincarnation?

Peace

[Miss Hepburn]

Guys, start a topic of your own on Reincarnation.
This is about sadguy's issue. His thread.
Thanks


Ref:
Much as it's fun to debate this stuff, it's sadguy's problem that started this thread
and it's his problem that's more important than our general debate over reincarnation.-bobjob

[Native spirit]

I would have to agree with Miss hepburn . if you want to debate about Reincarnation start your own thread.


Namaste