Ego/I/self/Ahamkara is the Self that thinks he/she is separate from oneness....

[MikeS80]

.....while the Self/true Self/Atma or Atman is the Self whom knows and is aware he/she is not separate from oneness.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

.....while the Self/true Self/Atma or Atman is the Self whom knows and is aware he/she is not separate from oneness.

I'm honestly wondering, this isn't to argue against your beliefs.

If there were "oneness", then how could anything be separate?

How could a part of "oneness" perceive itself to be separate? That means, at least, that that part's awareness isn't part of the "oneness", doesn't it? So it would negate the concept of "oneness".

I assume you mean "oneness" as in "everything is one", and not as in this oneness, that oneness, the oneness over there, ...

If you affirm that there is an ego, and there is a true-Self, then you don't have "oneness" anymore, because you talk about two different entities, don't you?

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by inavalan

I'm honestly wondering, this isn't to argue against your beliefs.

If there were "oneness", then how could anything be separate?

How could a part of "oneness" perceive itself to be separate? That means, at least, that that part's awareness isn't part of the "oneness", doesn't it? So it would negate the concept of "oneness".

I assume you mean "oneness" as in "everything is one", and not as in this oneness, that oneness, the oneness over there, ...

If you affirm that there is an ego, and there is a true-Self, then you don't have "oneness" anymore, because you talk about two different entities, don't you?

You missed my point of self and Self are one and the same. The only difference is a peson's True Self's perception/awareness. The true Self only exists, the separation itself is the ego, and the separating that the ego does is an illusion.

You think I said there is an ego, and there is a true Self. I said the ego is the Self-meaning the true Self thinks it is separate/does not know it is not separate from oneness/the eternal and infinite right here and right now.

The ego, which is the true-Self thinks he/she is separate is also oneness/the eternal and infinite right here and right now.

Consciousness and awareness are an individual but not separate "things". There would be no point for us (our (true) Self) to be conscious and aware, if oneness/the eternal and infinite right here and right now was or is already conscious and aware of itself.

We humans and other animals and plants are conscious and aware, so oneness/the eternal and infinite right here and right now is conscious and aware of itself physically existing/living inside itself.

Many non-dualitists spiritual people mistakingly believe that the non-duality concept is about the physical is against the non-physical ( it's the same old judgment/belief of good vs evil/positive vs negative, wearing a different mask), when in actuality the physical exists in the non-physical, which makes the physical and the non-physical existences, the one and the same.

[FallingLeaves]

if you want to talk about 'differences' then you want to talk about 'duality'. What is the point in that?

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

if you want to talk about 'differences' then you want to talk about 'duality'. What is the point in that?

Learning about and getting to know and understand' the differences' of oneness is a tool to use to know and understand ourselves, which leads us to learn about and get to know oneness/the eternal and infinite right here and right now. 'differences' are oneness's individual Selfs, whom are individuals but not separate or whom are oneness individuals.

If one does not talk about duality (separation) in a non-duality thread on a spiritual forum, how will one learn and know what duality ( separation) is?

Most people are too busy thinking about what is good/bad, positive/negative and about what benefits them personally (including ignoring and dismissing "duality", the 'differences' etc, ignoring and dismissing them is not accepting them for what they are and is not being conscious and aware of them) , when they should be conscious and aware of the thoughts and beliefs of separation that have, and replace those beliefs and thus thoughts with beliefs of oneness.

[pixiedust]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Learning about and getting to know and understand' the differences' of oneness is a tool to use to know and understand ourselves, which leads us to learn about and get to know oneness/the eternal and infinite right here and right now. 'differences' are oneness's individual Selfs, whom are individuals but not separate or whom are oneness individuals.

If one does not talk about duality (separation) in a non-duality thread on a spiritual forum, how will one learn and know what duality ( separation) is?

Most people are too busy thinking about what is good/bad, positive/negative and about what benefits them personally (including ignoring and dismissing "duality", the 'differences' etc, ignoring and dismissing them is not accepting them for what they are and is not being conscious and aware of them) , when they should be conscious and aware of the thoughts and beliefs of separation that have, and replace those beliefs and thus thoughts with beliefs of oneness.

Ego sometimes likes to tell people it is God. If you could think or understand your way to enlightenment it wouldn't be the real thing.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

You missed my point of self and Self are one and the same.
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Sorry. I shouldn't have asked.

[Mak6831]

Originally Posted by inavalan

I'm honestly wondering, this isn't to argue against your beliefs.

If there were "oneness", then how could anything be separate?

How could a part of "oneness" perceive itself to be separate? That means, at least, that that part's awareness isn't part of the "oneness", doesn't it? So it would negate the concept of "oneness".

I assume you mean "oneness" as in "everything is one", and not as in this oneness, that oneness, the oneness over there, ...

If you affirm that there is an ego, and there is a true-Self, then you don't have "oneness" anymore, because you talk about two different entities, don't you?

Agreed, when you realise the ego doesnt exist its like realising that santa clause doesnt exist. santa clause arises as a thought in oneness.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Mak6831

Agreed, when you realise the ego doesnt exist its like realising that santa clause doesnt exist. santa clause arises as a thought in oneness.

When you say/ believe the ego (separation) doesnt exist, All you are doing is saying/believing that separation in your mind does not exist, saying that is not a problem if you do not have one bit of separation in your mind, but saying that when you do have separation in your mind does create problems.

[FallingLeaves]

never mind...