Is impermanence permanent or impermanent?

[Ewwerrin]

Is impermanence permanent or impermanent?

[iamthat]

Impermanence is an attribute of form. Form is always coming into manifestation and going out of manifestation, and even while manifest form is always changing.

So as long as there is form there is permanent impermanence in form.

True permanence is found in the formless state, because formlessness does not change. But what is formless for us humans is itself a relative state within a much greater state.

Peace

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Impermanence is...

... Peace

Thanks, I understand this very clearly.

What about an infinite form? Is an infinite form also permanently impermanent?

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

What about an infinite form? Is an infinite form also permanently impermanent?

Is there such a thing as an infinite form?

The nature of form is limitation. Change can only happen where there is limitation. And limitation denies an infinite nature.

Peace

You're trying to smuggle the relative into the Absolute. More accurately it's mind (Ahamkara) assuming the mantle of Spirit.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Is there such a thing as an infinite form?

I don't know, do you think there is an infinite form? Sometimes I wonder if there actually exists a finite form.

I guess, existence is indescribabubble sometimes.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

You're trying to smuggle the relative into the Absolute. More accurately it's mind (Ahamkara) assuming the mantle of Spirit.

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

Smuggle the relative into the absolute!

Hehehe, I was just thinking about a fractal, like mandlebrot. It seems infinite to me. I have actually never found a shape that is not a fractal. nor finite. or limitted. I never found a limitted form that has a real permanent identity. Can you name one?

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I never found a limitted form that has a real permanent identity. Can you name one?

Nope, but I can name something that is formless (no thing) and is not limited, and that is Consciousness, just not in the sense most understand It.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Is impermanence permanent or impermanent?

Impermanence references the nature things; and is not thing itself.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I was just thinking about a fractal

In that sense, a form can be finite in one dimension and infinite in another, e.g. a finite area can be enclosed by an infinite perimeter. Koch triangle.