Love the OP question. I would say both. Now that my knowledge advances, I would say we are all always both cause and effect and they are infact the same one thing. Cause = effect.
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Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH
Greater beings world over have already done such things in their life in varying degrees .
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My ego finds this fascinating. Wondering, if the past was that, then how come this? But I think time does not exist in the way we think/believe it does. Once our believes around time are investigated deeply, all misunderstandings can make way for right understanding, to have a proper relationship with time, one that is based on foundational nondual understanding.
But the more the process of ego investigation is enjoyed, the faster it goes. We are infact here to enjoy the process of dispelling the misunderstandings about our true nature, even tho sometimes it seems tormenting, that is usually about our soul reminding us that we are ment to enjoy it and we can, as the process exists.
Asking myself, "What do I have to be believing is true to continue holding on to this believe?" to find the deeper core believe, which usually is dispelled if it is a negative believe, by our mere awareness of recognizing it. As this leaves more room for more truth, untill fear or despair creeps up, pointing out it's time to do some more "shining light of our awareness unto our believes." Life calibrates naturally as we help it to do so, in this way. Every negative emotion points at yet another false believe, that, if not able to let go of it, has a deeper more core negative believe.
Believe: first I was a kid and now I am an adult. Time is real. Past exists, future exists.
The illusion of time is a complicated one, exactly because it is so simple. There is no negative emotion around it, because it is the truth, but not the full truth. The full truth is infinitely simple.
Time is the realest thing there is, exactly because it is somewhat of a gatekeeper between infinite truth and egoic mental understanding. It is our relationship with our total self.
What we experience as "change" or "time" is infact the eternally and infinitely and absolutely unchanging uniqueness of existence itself. Therefor, one cannot go into the past, without simultaneously going into the future, which is a new experience of the past. This new experience is an unchanging attribute of the uniqueness of existence itself. So it happens even if we dont go into the past. And even if we do aswell. And when we stay in the present, the uniqueness of existence remains eternal and absolute. That is why the present also seems to be changing all the time, but it is not. What we experience as change, is infact our true unchanging being, which is existence itself, which is eternally and infinitely and absolutely and unchangingly unique, experiencing itself, becoming aware of itself, as infinite eternal unchanging absolute unique existence coming to know infinite eternal unchanging absolute uniqueness of existence. It cannot become anything else and therefor it cannot experience itself as anything but uniqueness.
And since it's uniqueness is infinite and eternal and absolute and unchanging, as non existence doesnt exist, there is no ability or possibility to experience anything outside of the uniqueness of existence, which everything is made out of it, it is infact not just made out of it, it IS it. Because creation is also an illusion, as everything is unchanging existence itself. And existence is unique. Existence cannot ever become anything other than unique. Infact, existence cannot change. All change is but a misdefinition of what that change actually is. It isn't change. It is the uniqueness of existence, that is actually not even happening, but it is BEING unique, as it cannot ever be nor become anything other than unique. Unique is existence itself. All experiences as existence and of existence, are therefor also existence, unique.
This is why time does not exist. And cause and effect are all very interchangable and relative and dualistic, because it is an egoic mental idea, that is existing within a realm of the illusion of free will. This illusion and illusion free will is based on confusion/misunderstanding. Once true self is realised, as unconditional love and eternal and infinite unchanging absolute uniqueness as existence itself, all things that are of a changing nature naturally dissolve themselves, to be realised for what it truely is: uniqueness experiencing uniqueness. As even experience and awareness is inseperable from this eternal infinite absolute unchanging uniqueness of existence itself. It is it. Awareness is a consequence of the infinite eternal unchanging absolute uniqueness of existence.
There are many ways to come to this realisation. For example, one of infinite many possibilities, is that one can create a strong enough effect, that it will cause its own cause. This undeniably dispells the illusion of time and change and free will. These things dont go away. They are just infinitely more clearly understood for what they truely are. How they truely fit in the big picture view of existence itself. To realise that nothing needs to change to realise nondual understanding. Because change has never existed to begin with.
With nondual foundational understanding, all misunderstandings naturally and effortlessly dissolve/resolve themselves, without even touching the misunderstanding or changing anything. Because the change is realised for what it truely is. Eternally unchanging infinitely absolute unique existence.
Therefor, we never went away from God/Absolute. We are as unchanging God/Absolute right here and right now. All past and present and future, are all a consequence of the uniqueness of existence itself, as we are it. One cannot experience anything outside of it, because there exists nothing other than this uniqueness that is existence itself. Therefor, all things and all experiences will forever remain unchangingly unique. And that is what gives the appearance of change, but what is actually being experienced is the unchanging uniqueness of existence itself.
So can you say, "first I did this, and then this happened."?
When you take your choice, and return it back to the nondual truth; that it is also the uniqueness of existence...
So your unique awareness of your unique choice, both will forever be eternally unchangingly infinitely absolutely unique. And this means, that if you continue to place your awareness on your choice, or cause, it will appear as if it is constantly changing. But neither your choice, and neither your awareness, are changing. What is actually being experienced, in that seeming changingness, is the eternal infinite unchanging absolute uniqueness of existence, out of which all things are made. Or rather, all things are it. So, nothing needs to change in order for you to experience as if things are changing. Because even the unchanging uniqueness of existence will always be unchangingly experienced in a unique way.
That is why all things are made out of unconditional love. The path of darkness and the path of light are both the same. They both come to this absolute realisation. Because there exists nothing outside of it, or inside of it. All things are it. Existence is. Non existence doesnt exist. Existence is unique. Its uniqueness brings about awareness, which is made out of the infinite eternal unchanging absolute uniqueness of existence itself. Uniqueness = existence. It does not and cannot even produce uniqueness. It has never been unique and it will never become unique. IT IS UNIQUE. Therefor, it will always be unique and that means that even the past will also forever be unique. There is nothing outside of this uniqueness that is existence itself. You dont need to go to the beginning or to the future to realise this. Even not realising it, is the uniqueness of existence.
Existence and eternity is this here and now moment unlike any that has ever been before it or will ever be like unto it ever again and again and again and again. But because this uniqueness is not actually changing, it is eternally unchanging and infinitely absolute... Then there exists only this moment, and all things are forever equally unique. Meaning, you have never experienced this before. And that is something that will remain true forever, and in all dimensions and non dimensions. You will never be able to experience anything that is not unique. Every experience you have will always be your first and last. It will always be undefinable except to say that it is unique. You could say that it has always been unique and always will be, but that is missing the point, that IS unique and that you are it. Here and now. Forever. Including all the things that you experience or will ever experience or have ever experienced.
It will never become dualistic, because existence does not change. It cannot become unique. It is unique. Forever. So something that is not unique cannot be experienced. This is why this idea of free will is an illusion, that always cancels itself out. That process seems painful, because you are literally going nowhere, which makes it seem painful when you are seemingly going somewhere, as if there has ever existed something outside of the eternal and infinite unchanging absolute uniqueness of here and now, existence, itself. Which is unconditional love. Which is everything. Which, you are it.
To say to oneself, I need to be here and now, is a misunderstanding aswell, because one has never been anywhere and anywhen else. But take this even further. WETHER YOU REALISE THIS OR NOT... YOU ARE UNIQUE EXISTENCE EXPERIENCING UNIQUE EXISTENCE. Always have been and always will be. Why? Because time does not exist, if change does not exist. Both are a consequence of the uniqueness of existence itself. Not something that exists. But the uniqueness of existence itself. The uniqueness of exitence is responsible for all things. This is the ultimate resolving of all time and space and cause and effect. Because it is the ultimate cause of all things. The ultimate Source. And it is you, and you are thus the Source of Existence as existence. You do not even do anything, and you leave nothing undone.
You do not even create change. You do not even become aware of your uniqueness to bring about the appearance of change.
Your awareness is the uniqueness of existence.