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Old 09-07-2022, 04:45 PM
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Is consciousness the real illusion

Hi there.

According to non duality there is no ego but only consciousness or personal consciousness which when transcendent there is only pure consciousness.

According to this video that too is an illusion. What is your take on this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_4YKU
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:30 PM
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It sounds to me like she's juxtaposing the relative and Absolute. Localized consciousness (the relative) is an illusion. It's Ahamkara (ego) appropriating the Absolute as its own as in "I am conscious".
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:44 PM
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That was a waste of time ... Both the content and the presentation. Thanks.
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Old 10-07-2022, 01:38 AM
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If invalan said it’s a waste of time, I’m not going to watch.

Even so some thoughts regardless.

Keep in mind a conscious act of describing experiences, has one purpose, to help you understand and familiarise with the spaciousness of consciousness. As you go deeper into spaceiouness as yourself, it doesn’t require an evaluation or a judgement or ammunition for the ego to compare it to anything. To me that’s simply falling back into the minds idea of the experience rather than just being aware of awareness. Hence it can turn into another trap, rather than becoming aware deeper of yourself moving in and out and potentially transcend that point.
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Old 10-07-2022, 04:06 AM
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It sounds to me like she's juxtaposing the relative and Absolute. Localized consciousness (the relative) is an illusion. It's Ahamkara (ego) appropriating the Absolute as its own as in "I am conscious".
Are you saying that change does not exist? So, are you able to traverse even beyond time and even space and even BE my thought stream without even the necessity of entering it?
What am I thinking of right now, (object and color and second object and its relative position to the first object and relative color)? I am even projecting the thought very VERY clearly to you now and giving full permission and consent to receive my thought form, for you to proof the oneness of your beingness. I am even applying universal laws (...) to ensure that you will receive my thought form. Which you will not only know, but you will BE the very definition of those universal Laws.

Tho I am dissapointed that you didnt see this question coming before hand, and yet, the burden of proof lies on you, so feel free to respond however you wish. It is going to be enlightening either way.

Whatever you say now is going to be either very funny. Or absolutely breathtaking valuable. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Old 10-07-2022, 09:14 AM
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Consciousness is the only thing that is not an illusion.
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Old 10-07-2022, 10:35 AM
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Consciousness is the only thing that is not an illusion.
Lol..that was great. Sounds about right to me!
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Old 10-07-2022, 12:53 PM
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According to non duality there is no ego but only consciousness or personal consciousness which when transcendent there is only pure consciousness.
'Real' illusion?

'Technically' there is no ego as an entity, 'ego' is more of a collective noun because our sense of 'I am' is made up of a number of different aspects. Spiritually it's a bucket-full of invented things.

'Pure' is a prefix that the differentiated consciousness of the ego uses to differentiate/categorise. It also implies not-pure, but all consciousness is consciousness just the same.

Consciousness is an 'object' of consciousness and that's where the illusion begins in the context of non-Duality. To the mind consciousness is something we have or something we can work towards acquiring and as far as the mind is concerned it's as much a 'thing' as that thing your bum is on right now.

The question is, is consciousness conscious of being consciousness? The self needs the ego to have a sense of 'I am', otherwise there is no self either. The self's sense of itself is the ego.

And don't forget that to all intents and purposes you are your ego, which is everything you perceive yourself to be. Yeah me too. It's also the ego that decides what is real or not, what is illusion or not, what is Spiritual or not.

Perhaps it's the illusion that's real.
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Old 10-07-2022, 05:53 PM
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... Spiritually it's a bucket-full of invented things.
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:) I call them unconscious distortions.
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