Jesus wrote on the ground.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

Little factoid for fun: All of the dead sea scrolls pre-date Jesus so Jesus is not found in any of them.
Where are ancient records mentioning Jesus?

Yeah, apparently they back up the Torah/Old Testament!
Nothing about Jesus, right. Yes, great fact.

[BigJohn]

You might find a version of one of Josephus' writings that mentions Jesus. Virtually all authorities claim that was an 'addition' and is not found in older versions.
Josephus was an 'eye witness' of the second destruction of Jerusalem.


When The Jewish Diaspora happened, the people of the 10 Tribes of Israel where 'scattered to the winds': it left a vacuum for foreigners to resettle the land along with their language. When Jerusalem was later destroyed, the bulk of the people remaining in Israel were transplanted to Babylon.


In Jesus time, the Jewish land was occupied by Rome. The Romans spoke Greek and Latin.

Jesus started his ministry when he was 30. A Jewish man, at that time, had to be at least 30 to become a priest. He would be expected to know Hebrew.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Maisy

Little factoid for fun: All of the dead sea scrolls pre-date Jesus so Jesus is not found in any of them. Where are ancient records mentioning Jesus?

The Old Testament does provide numerous prophetic clues and references to Jesus, but not by the name 'Jesus'....

Back to ‘Jesus wrote on the ground’…..God spoke when He wrote on stone….the 10 Commandments. Perhaps Jesus was informed by God and his writing on the ground was automatic writing ? This was the message that Jesus spoke to the accusers ? And, btw, the language he used was irrelevant……:)

[sky]

Mybe Jesus was doodling snakes and vipers

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky

If you look at late 'Talmudic' texts the term 'Craftsman' is used as a metaphor for a skilled handler of the word of God. Interesting imo....

Curious, which Talmudic text?

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Curious, which Talmudic text?

Jerusalem or Babylonian I presume as they are late Talmudic Text's.

KJV 2 TIMOTHY 2:15.
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

The NT interestingly refers to 'Craftsman' as being skilled in the word of God....

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by sky

The Old Testament does provide numerous prophetic clues and references to Jesus, but not by the name 'Jesus'....

That's an opinion or belief held by Christians. Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah referred to in the Old Testament for various reasons. You kind of stated it like a fact I think. I just found recently there were a lot of people who claimed to be the messiah talked about in the OT.

[BigJohn]

As for a person being named by name in prophecy before they were born: has happened only a few times.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

As for a person being named by name in prophecy before they were born: has happened only a few times.

It sure opens up a lot of questions for me if someone was able to do that. Because the parents usually name the baby. If someone knew what the parents were going to name a baby way in advance, I would like to know how they could know what name the parents would give in the future maybe even before the parents were born. It kind of means the parents have no free will as what they will name their baby is already set in stone and known. It was known even before the parents were born or knew they would have a baby. But then maybe some entities control the parents minds around the time of birth forcing them to name it something. But then again, it takes away their free will.