MAYA

#1 17-08-2021, 07:21 AM

What is Maya?

#2 17-08-2021, 08:30 AM

It depends on which definition you read. Maya is often defined as ignorance or illusion, it's also referred to as the false self which makes it synonymous with the Ahamkara or Jungian ego - Jung based his model of the ego on the Ahamkara. Since this is a non-Duality forum, it's what creates Duality through the perception of separation - 'this' and 'that' - and also non-Duality, which is the separation of separation - non-Duality being separate from Duality.

#3 17-08-2021, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Maya is often defined as ignorance or illusion, it's also referred to as the false self

Sir, shall we speak about the Ignorance? (bcz I feel the EGO/false self/Ignorance - everything points the same).
Sir, what you see in a "Mirror" is Real or Unreal?

MikeS80 · #4 17-08-2021, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Viswa

What is Maya?

Maya is the not seeing and not recognizing everything individually and as a whole as (not) being brahman or as the cosmos (order), which is ultimate reality with our mind and senses.

Seeing and recognizing reality through the false self or through "the me" that judges, analyzes, evaluates, compares and etc is maya because the false self or "the me" judges, analyzes, evaluates, compares and etc brahman or the cosmos, which is ultimate reality and is therefore perfect order. Maya is and creates disorder/chaos in brahman/cosmos-perfect order/ultimate reality.

#5 17-08-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeS80

Maya is the not seeing and not recognizing everything individually

Hi sir.
Good one. Yes, Maya/ignorance, is not seeing the “Brahman”, as it is. But, how do you know that, Cosmos is itself the Brahman.
What if the “Cosmos” we experience itself a “false reality”, but an ‘image’ of ultimate reality?

What if, the “false self” judges,evaluates,etc.. “the false self itself” and goes on and on and on and fails to feel the ultimate reality?

MikeS80 · #6 17-08-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Viswa

Hi sir.

Good one. Yes, Maya/ignorance, is not seeing the “Brahman”, as it is. But, how do you know that, Cosmos is itself the Brahman. What if the “Cosmos” we experience itself a “false reality”, but an ‘image’ of ultimate reality?

The ancient greek meaning of the word cosmos is order. The current definition of cosmos defined as the universe is new, came after the ancient greek meaning of order.

Like Brahman, the cosmos/order is all there is. Also like brahman, the cosmos is the physical and the non physical as one reality. However the ancient greek meaning of cosmos, which is order, is more accurate and is easier to understand than brahman, without having to use any abstract concepts, metaphors, constructs etc.

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Originally Posted by Viswa

What if, the “false self” judges,evaluates,etc.. “the false self itself” and goes on and on and on and fails to feel the ultimate reality?

nothing changes

Miss Hepburn · #7 17-08-2021, 10:16 AM

Hmm, Maya - before I have my coffee I'll say: All that we see with our eyes open, that appears real, but is not.
The chair is not a chair, the ceiling is not the ceiling.
Light slowed down to appear as solid matter...all an illusion, better than a mirage.
It is a fabulous, immaculate illusion, made of dreamstuff.
(I was shown this when I was 8 years old ...and many times after that.)
All within the Divine Mind or the Divine's Mind.
What is real is the consciousness of the One, the Supreme One, Spirit, Creator, Sustainer everywhere...
by any name.
My input to the question.

#8 17-08-2021, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeS80

Order

So, Order means a "Law"? A "Format"? A "form"? An "Appearence"?

If that is "Order", then what is "dis-order"? How does "order" let's appear "disorder" in it?

Could you elaborate as a whole what the word "Order" mean? or is it just a word - to point something "we don't know"?

#9 17-08-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Light slowed down to appear as solid matter...all an illusion, better than a mirage.

Okay. Perfectly put.

To believe "This is a chair/etc.." (except naming it for technical/necessary use), is just "Ignorance" of the actuality.

So, how does the Mirage/Maya gives Happiness? Does the pleasure I derive from persons/things/words/etc.. - Is it true Happiness? or an Ignorance of 'believing' it as a Happiness?

MikeS80 · #10 17-08-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Viswa

So, Order means a "Law"? A "Format"? A "form"? An "Appearence"?

Order means an orderly or harmonious physical and nonphysical universe. Order is oneness/wholeness, balance, peace and harmony.

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Originally Posted by Viswa

If that is "Order", then what is "dis-order"? How does "order" let's appear "disorder" in it?

Brahman is order while maya is disorder/chaos. Imbalanced thoughts create maya/disorder/chaos.

Order does not let maya/disorder/chaos exist in it directly. Maya/disorder/chaos is the result or effect of the physical human (brain) evolving over thousands or millions of years for survival. Maya/disorder/chaos is the result of us humans wanting to survive to live, and is a natural deep instinct in us humans, as well as in other animals.

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Originally Posted by Viswa

Could you elaborate as a whole what the word "Order" mean? or is it just a word - to point something "we don't know"?

see above