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17-06-2022, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PMPM71
Animals as far as we know are not conscious so their fears are just instinctual not existential so no need for God.
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As are humans, fear comes from the Limbic System/lizard brain that has been with us since we were apes. So next time you see a post on fear in this forum, that's a reminder that we need to remember we're not as evolved as we'd like to think we are. We're built for survival, not Spirituality. Not to mention that what we become conscious of is only 10-15% of the total. The unconscious accounts for the rest.
As for self-realisation, that's a Persona or a mask of convenience. |
17-06-2022, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PMPM71
...Animals as far as we know are not conscious...
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Huh? .......
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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17-06-2022, 09:04 PM
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I meant self-conscious.
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18-06-2022, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by PMPM71
I meant self-conscious.
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How come they run away from predators then? Doesn't fear of the death require that the animal be conscious of itself? |
18-06-2022, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PMPM71
I meant self-conscious.
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What is the consciousness of the self? Because what you're talking about is the consciousness of the ego. |
18-06-2022, 02:53 AM
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The main difference between humans and animals is the level of development of their intellect. Also, humans have more developed emotions, and are mostly in control of their instincts. Humans are dominated by their emotions, and animals by their instincts. If you go lower, plants have even more rudimentary emotions and instincts.
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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18-06-2022, 03:29 PM
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Great posts Green. We always look at this from the POV of human. The limbic starts it all and it can't be changed. It is built in if it is there, it's a program, DNA information, and powerful. It's biochemical by and in nature and natural as said in post #21 and can be nothing else. The brain is a system and more universal in it's form and there the same in what would happen. People may want to explore the Turine brain system to understand more about the concept and study it.
We don't even need the complex parts of what we're trying to explain, ego or intellect, or self concept, that differentiate us as human because we would and survive without them just fine just as everything does. One can know it if one is mindful. What if it operates and you didn't know it did? It would and it does! Even in confusion it still operates, does it not. It knows, only knows.
In fact this is the concept of lower (lowest) consciousness. It is the frontal lobe that make it different. We always will see from the final process point be it human, animal, any life form. Glad to finally see metaphysics introduced. Each part of the system does it own thing.
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18-06-2022, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Greenslade
What is the consciousness of the self? Because what you're talking about is the consciousness of the ego.
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Think so as well. Ego rests in the frontal lobe, without it we'd have no concept of it. |
19-06-2022, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
The main difference between humans and animals is the level of development of their intellect.
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"I am not my thoughts, I am not my beliefs....." You've heard the narratives. My scruffy mutt doesn't have many thoughts and doesn't have beliefs. Spiritually intellect is usually a 'bad thing,' at least from an Eastern perspective.
You'd also be surprised how instinctual Spirituality is. If people derive benefit from thinking they are Spiritual, that's not so far away from Pavlov's Dogs. That warm and fuzzy feeling Spirituality an give people? That the base survival instincts flooding the brain with happy hormones because it's deemed as good for survival. |
19-06-2022, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lemex
Great posts Green. We always look at this from the POV of human.
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Thank you
Creating a God to worship is a very human thing to do, and some media stars are more worshipped than God. The patterns that play out in the 'real world' are no different to those that play out in Spirituality.
There are all kinds of things going on in our noggins that people just don't know about, that drives our Spirituality just the same. Spirituality as a survival mechanism? That could be an interesting conversation. What does 'mindful' even mean?
Spirituality and schizophrenia light up the same areas of the brain. Maybe the 'Spiritual thing' to do is find the right questions. |
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