WHAT DOES CHRISTIANITY MEAN TO YOU?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by ketzer

I couldn't even if I wanted to, as they seem to change with the wind. I suppose I might try by just assuming they are the opposite of whatever I say, or whatever words you put in my mouth.

Or we could take a page from your play book.
Hey John, I fail to understand your hatred for the Hindu faith. Why do you hate them so much?

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ketzer, where did you get that I hate the Hindu faith?
You can explain if you want to.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by ketzer

You make a lot of assumptions John, that is the problem. One gets tired of having to defend oneself against assumptions, especially when they stretch what was said past the breaking point of credulity and one starts to wonder if they are unintentional misrepresentations or not.

ketzer,

yes I did assume you were talking about Christians because you posted it in the Christian Forum. Maybe you should provide clarity when you post as to which Forum the posting is suppose to really be in.

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

ketzer,

have you noticed the number of posts in the Christian Forum that seem like they should be in the Judaism Forum?

For example, posits using the word Yahweh.
How many Christians Bibles use the word Yahweh in the New Testament? As far as I know, none.
How many Christian Bibles use the word Yahweh in the Old Testament? Only one that I know of.

Sure, Yahweh is the name of God but most Christians do not know that.

Have you noticed the Thread you yourself started regarding The Gospel Of Thomas which is a Gnostic Gospel being Posted in a Christian Thread when you personally think Gnostics are Anti- Christian ?

A very strange thing to do, don't you think ? Maybe to cause ' Animosity '

[sky]

Originally Posted by ketzer

I couldn't even if I wanted to, as they seem to change with the wind. I suppose I might try by just assuming they are the opposite of whatever I say, or whatever words you put in my mouth.

Or we could take a page from your play book.
Hey John, I fail to understand your hatred for the Hindu faith. Why do you hate them so much?

.

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind la la la....
I like Bob Dylan....

Originally Posted by ketzer

You make a lot of assumptions John, that is the problem. One gets tired of having to defend oneself against assumptions, especially when they stretch what was said past the breaking point of credulity and one starts to wonder if they are unintentional misrepresentations or not.

I can say from my perspetive - without a doubt they are. I've been on the receiving end for years, as had Shivani Devi when she provided the definition of gaslighting. I think that she was right.

It's a technique/tactic to stay on side of the forum rules whilst attacking one that they don't like (usually as a result of being challenged) - and trying to get the other person to break the rules (so to speak e.g. by painting the other as argumentative or divisive whilst said perpertrator attacks). The gaslighting is derived by making the other person question one's own judgement. Putting words in their mouth etc.

I find it a dishonest yet devious intellectual manipulation tool - you got to give it, that it's smart, but personally I've never admired smarts. Intelligence without integrity is useless in my books.

FWIW - that has been my almost singular experience with John. But he only does it to those he "opposes" - says a lot about tactics people use in the name of religion doesn't it?


gas·light
/ˈɡaslīt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting

manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
"in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband"

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by janielee

I can say from my perspetive - without a doubt they are. I've been on the receiving end for years, as had Shivani Devi when she provided the definition of gaslighting. I think that she was right.

It's a technique/tactic to stay on side of the forum rules whilst attacking one that they don't like (usually as a result of being challenged) - and trying to get the other person to break the rules (so to speak e.g. by painting the other as argumentative or divisive whilst said perpertrator attacks). The gaslighting is derived by making the other person question one's own judgement. Putting words in their mouth etc.

I find it a dishonest yet devious intellectual manipulation tool - you got to give it, that it's smart, but personally I've never admired smarts. Intelligence without integrity is useless in my books.

FWIW - that has been my almost singular experience with John. But he only does it to those he "opposes" - says a lot about tactics people use in the name of religion doesn't it?


gas·light
/ˈɡaslīt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting

manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
"in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband"

janilee,

Before you get on your wooden crate so all can hear what you have to say, the main issue I had with Shivani Devi was she was confusing transliterated words as being the original language word. This is a common problem. Most people get confused with that.

For your information, that is gas lighting.

Knock it off with the personal attacks, okay?

[sky]

Originally Posted by janielee

I can say from my perspetive - without a doubt they are. I've been on the receiving end for years, as had Shivani Devi when she provided the definition of gaslighting. I think that she was right.

It's a technique/tactic to stay on side of the forum rules whilst attacking one that they don't like (usually as a result of being challenged) - and trying to get the other person to break the rules (so to speak e.g. by painting the other as argumentative or divisive whilst said perpertrator attacks). The gaslighting is derived by making the other person question one's own judgement. Putting words in their mouth etc.

I find it a dishonest yet devious intellectual manipulation tool - you got to give it, that it's smart, but personally I've never admired smarts. Intelligence without integrity is useless in my books.

FWIW - that has been my almost singular experience with John. But he only does it to those he "opposes" - says a lot about tactics people use in the name of religion doesn't it?


gas·light
/ˈɡaslīt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting

manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
"in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband"

Why would someone start a Thread in Christian Section regarding a Gnostic Gospel and then state that Gnostics are Anti-Christian....

Now that says it all....

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

janilee,

Before you get on your wooden crate so all can hear what you have to say, the main issue I had with Shivani Devi was she was confusing transliterated words as being the original language word. This is a common problem. Most people get confused with that.

For your information, that is gas lighting.

Knock it off with the personal attacks, okay?

But stating that Gnostics are Anti- Christian is personal no ?
You know there are Gnostics on here....

Originally Posted by BigJohn

janilee,

Before you get on your wooden crate so all can hear what you have to say, the main issue I had with Shivani Devi was she was confusing transliterated words as being the original language word. This is a common problem. Most people get confused with that.

For your information, that is gas lighting.

Knock it off with the personal attacks, okay?

John,

Shivani Devi, ketzer, I have all experienced the same tactics.

As I said earlier in the thread, Christianity means nothing in and of itself to me. It's the deeds, the fruits, the inner that determines whether a person is of true faith or not, in my mind... And I remember the topic of the Inquisition - when we have "Christians" who attack those they deem enemies, or deem in opposition to their beliefs - they call them heretics and abuse/attack and apparently executed them.

This was what happened with the Inquisition, and it's not far fetched to say it all happens in a person - in a religion which is made up of people like you and me.

I really appreciated the Biblical quotes I looked up the other day for you - it shows me that there is much goodness in Christ's teachings for those that take it to heart.

Thanks,

JL

Originally Posted by ketzer

You do that quite a bit John. You assume something yourself, and then attack another for that assumption. I am starting to think you have an identity crisis. Perhaps I should be calling you Johns. But to be fair, we all know the inquisitors made the claim to be the 'true Christians', the ones who truly are the 'followers of Jesus's teachings'.

Some like to differentiate between the true and not true Christians. Yet it is just a label, has no copyright that I know of, and can be placed upon any product one wishes to. Johns, you can’t attack one for a slight on any Christain as an insult to all Christians, yet then turn right around and argue those Christians over there are not ‘true followers of Jesus’s teachings’, and not ‘real Christains’, that would just be double talk.

I actually suggested that the one being burned could even be a better example of one following Jesus’s teachings. Why is it Johns, you don’t come to their defence?

You assume others must mean "follower of Jesus's teachings" when they say Christian, and then you want to correct them for your assumptions. I have no illusion that all who call themselves Christian follow the teachings of Jesus. You on the other hand are quick to attack any who suggest otherwise.

You do seem a bit confused Johns. Usually you are attacking me as someone who doesn't like all Christians if I say anything against the actions or teachings of any who claim the label. Yet suddenly you are attacking me for having too much love for Christians, and bizarrely and out of thin air, also attacking me as not having enough love for Jews.

What is your objective here Johns? Are you trying to explore the ins and outs of Jesus's teachings, trying to understand Jesus, or defend Christianity, trying to understand God, or defend God? Or perhaps Johns, are you trying to defend what great, knowledgeable, and wise theologians Johns are? If you are, then though I am not much of a theologian myself, I must say that you seem to be flailing about a bit here. Spinning and misrepresenting people's words and making things up out of thin air are cute debate tricks. They often work quite well if your audience is not paying too close attention, but if one is having a discussion, all they accomplish is to make you seem desperate to score points when the score is not even supposed to be kept.

I think a free and open discussion is a good way to learn about and from, what others think about, just about any subject. Yet there will always be those who bring their egos to the table and want to be seen as ‘the winner’ and will engage in all sorts of tactics to reach that goal. But at a certain point, it just becomes trolling, gets too annoying to engage with, and is just not worth it. Though I may joke about being a masochist, my tolerance for pain is more of a short term thing, in the long term, I am a bit of a wimp and can’t stand it. I think I am reaching my threshold in dealing with the two of you, and don’t see any real gain for my pain.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

ketzer, where did you get that I hate the Hindu faith?
You can explain if you want to.

So you don't deny it?
I didn't think Christians were supposed to hate others, but I don't claim the label myself so whadu I know?