Saami People of Norway, Finland and Sweden and Joiking

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Ruohtta, also known as Rota, was the Sami demon of pestilence and evil.
Ruohtta resided in a realm named Rotaimo, and rode across the land with a horse, spreading pestilence and death to the people. The Sami would keep the demon away by either pray to their sky deity Radien or by sacrificing a horse. Actually, this was not a sacrifice to the demon, but rather a sacred rite, which would transfer the disease from the human to the dead horse.

Rota (Ruto), the demon of death and disease, riding to the realm of death Reuterskiöld and other earlier scholars propose that the prototype for Rota was Odin, who also is connected with the land of the dead.

https://www.thuleia.com/rota.jpg

Above pic from Shaman´s drum symbols in Scandinavia:
https://www.thuleia.com/shamandrum.html

Needless to say the Horse isn’t one of the “power animals” or animal-spirit-helpers at least for the Norwegian Saami.…

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I would like to think there were no horse sacrifices, but throughout Eurasia (among Uralics and Altaians) horses were sacrificed. “This ritual was performed because it was believed that a sacrificed horse can carry the shaman to Heaven”.
In areas where there were no horses in Siberia, I trust reindeer was also sacrificed for the same reason.

Here a Turkic-Tengrism drum, with the Horse sacrifice:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/04...b6b26eb420.jpg

For the Western Saami, (at least) “the horse was a feared and detested animal, probably because it was the preferred form of transportation of the Norsemen”.
“When Saami were converted to Catholicism and later on to Lutheranism, the concept of Rotaimo, a place similar to Christian Hell and Radienaimo, a place closer to the Christian idea of Heaven was created”.
Apparently.
(A bit like what happened to our Hiisi. Originally meaning sacred localities and their spirits but with the arrival of Lutheranism they now became the places of demons).

See also “The great Indo-European horse sacrifice” (whatever that meant?)

In the East, we at least had contacts with Dolgans (who are a mix of (Tungus) Evenk people and (Yakutians) Sakha. This shows up in some shared words and also some more recent Siberian dna (which Western Saami perhaps do not have?)
Dolgans are Turkic.
Curious also, where both of my Saami/Karelian admixed grandparents came from (now Russia), they had sacred stones, which were carved in images similar to Tengrist drums:
https://i.ibb.co/B2Q79Pc/kivi1.png
https://i.ibb.co/gr8dyb9/kivi2.png

Sakha Celestials:
Yuryung Aiyy Toyon
Uluu Toyon (the Sun)
Yuryung Aiyy = (the Moon) Toyon = (head/leader)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyH...BolotBochkarev

Shamanistic Ritual in Old Turks (very similar to Mongolian ones):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=camc...zhanKo%C3%A 7

So, looks like for Norwegian Saami there are no totemic animal ancestors to speak of as such and in “Heaven”, no wolves nor horses, but now I’d be really curious to know if Forest and Skolt Saami differ in the horse issue.

Saami worldview:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig4_271068683

ProtoUralic world-view:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig8_271068683

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Learning something every day.

To a summary and a conclusion …
Relatively recently I learned about the NDE-videos, and was positively surprised how many of them relate to the shamanic way of experiencing multidimensionality.
Even more recently I learned that I am related (although more distantly) to most of the old Saami families from Kautokeino, Norway.
Looked into their 'now' a bit deeper and I guess I hadn’t accounted for all the influences they have had over there, much more so than in the East.
Old Norse (Indo-European) paganism & all that Viking ‘stuff’, Catholic Christianization, Lutheranism and its witch hunts, the Swedish eugenics plan studies, its forced sterilizations etc. the government assimilation plans, children being taken away to boarding schools etc. etc. the list goes on.

Even though many a Saami there has twice as much “Siberian” as I do, it is mostly from ancient connections, this old stuff, which no longer registers in people’s minds & how could it:
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ancien...identical.html

But the latest influence - the American New Age Harner neo-shamanism!
Seeing yet a few more Harner videos, I now trust he really did have the best intentions, was altruist in his aim to revive ‘shamanism’ (as he understood it), but ‘drumming journeying’ is no NDE, nor is it being called by Spirit “shamanic death experience” - it relates, but cannot really be compared.

I suppose I have no right to feel disappointed, even betrayed, but I do a bit.

Might have some good links:
https://www.nativeamericanembassy.ne..._a_shaman.html

Then again – everything is as it should be.
No point in trying to enter or fit into the ‘shamanic/tengrist twilight-zone’ if it no longer exists in the subconscious or collective subconscious. – If there are no ‘living’ ancestral connections to Siberia anymore because as such it would be more fake than Harner’s “Core Shamanism”. At least "journeying" will teach one something about the workings of one’s subconscious. Although shamanic reality orientation is not the same as Western reality orientation – the “core’ is different.

If I remember correctly Ailu had been in contact with Mongolian Shamaness Sarangerel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myVH...orgottenmusic1

R.I.P.
As an ‘influencer’, Ailu did good!

[eezi-ulgen]

Originally Posted by sentient

But the latest influence - the American New Age Harner neo-shamanism!Seeing yet a few more Harner videos, I now trust he really did have the best intentions, was altruist in his aim to revive ‘shamanism’ (as he understood it), but ‘drumming journeying’ is no NDE, nor is it being called by Spirit “shamanic death experience” - it relates, but cannot really be compared.

Relates, yes Methinks so...Overlaps in some areas...Methinks the Spirit world is vast and layered like a 3 layered cake (Norse is 9 layers Methinks) and there is bound to be overlap...Though I don't know shaman...I have had many journeys of varying degrees of penetration into Spirit and the Spirit world, none by buying a ticket and traveling into the Spirit world or should I say by intent...Most en-trances into Spirit have been by happen stance or should I say SURPRISE!!!What the??...Unless I was in Peyote ceremony or mushroom ceremony, then I knew I was traveling into parts unknown and packed a few provisions...Though Methinks much happens in the vesica piscis zone between our world and the world of Spirit...In the zone that the Christians call the fish or others call the eye...

Nice vid. of Ailu and Sami ski doo...We had one back in the 70s...Good times...

...Peace...

[sentient]

Originally Posted by eezi-ulgen

I have had many journeys of varying degrees of penetration into Spirit and the Spirit world, none by buying a ticket

Yep, funny innit …. quite absurd really … lol.

Originally Posted by eezi-ulgen

traveling into the Spirit world or should I say by intent...

Must say, after the past-life-hypno session, I did journey with intent, to piece together more snippets from that “past life” I had seen - if that is what it was.
However now imagining I was a spidey (to illustrate); - a couple of those ancestral strands - when felt or sensed with awareness on the (ancestry) web (or call it now a psychic grid or net) did yield spontaneous visions of places I had never seen (yet verified by looking them up on the net) and in addition, the Siberian one even delivered a live message through its ‘psychic airways’.
Yet my Western Finnish ancestral strand is/was like a dead horse, it yielded nothing but a blank wall and even though I had travelled to Finnmark, Norway & later saw the odd Saami cousin here and there on relatives list, but since nothing came through (other dimensionally) … I never bothered to look into it further. Even now, I have to learn about these relatives from books and videos – because nothing speaks from within as if that connection had been cut.
Curious.

I guess that applies to Amerinds as well. Just because one discovers that one actually had an Amerind or an Aboriginal ancestor (for that matter), that doesn’t guarantee a live connection still to be there to draw from.
But having Aboriginal visions before one learns about one’s hidden yet actual Aboriginal ancestry – that is the exciting part.

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Last week found another Saami DVD from the shops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIiF...el=PalaceFilms

Alta dam protests talk:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/progra...tage/102642296

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Besides “Kautokeino Rebellion”
(a film, which made me so very depressed) ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_3O...annel=OCB2Slim

The third DVD I’ve got is “Saami Blood”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y3x...el=MadmanFilms
This film in turn made me so very angry I haven’t been able to watch it again for the longest time.
Not that I got so angry at the forced assimilation policies, but at her, the main character's response to it.
She just became a pathetic mess, so conflicted she couldn’t find her functionality in neither worlds.

Similar – in some ways – what happened to this bloke’s mother 12:37 > 18:40 in the video you eezi-ulgen posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxus...amansDirectory

We all know this, seen enough of it, have felt it within ourselves (which is why I guess I got so angry).
But here Elders to the rescue – who can by example, by their impeccability in-the-eyes-of-Spirit show how to juggle the two worlds yet retaining the original spirituality, – and not just retain, but make all of our spirits shine!

But I guess – not everyone had the good fortune of meeting them.

... Which is why I absolutely loved “Uncle Bob”.
One look into his eyes and you automatically *shifted* into that unconditional, all inclusive “Oneness Space”.
I’m sure I have posted this link before if not several times already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8zA...enessProjec t

The same *shift* my grandmother also 'taught'.

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Came across this image from a genetic study which shows our Saami, Uralic & Siberian relatedness:
https://media.springernature.com/lw6...ML.png?as=webp

How come I hadn’t seen this study before, perhaps when the paper came out it wasn’t free for viewing (?)
The genetic study:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....059-018-1522-1

[eezi-ulgen]

Originally Posted by sentient

Not that I got so angry at the forced assimilation policies, but at her, the main character's response to it.
She just became a pathetic mess, so conflicted she couldn’t find her functionality in neither worlds.

I can't seem to function well in this world of so called civilization...
There seems to be no place in it that I seem to fit or belong 100%...
The more I delve or experience the Spirit world the more messed up I get...
I do find comfort in becoming a zero in natures flow, which is the only place I can make sense of things...
Maybe she just didn't know how to feel alright and secure no matter where she was...
Which is sad, but I know how that feels at times...

When I was ignorant of Life and Spirit and lived only by a code of violence that I was brought up in, I was
happy as a clam because at least I had a code or direction, even if it was a destructive force, acting or reacting purely out of ego
and subconscious reflex was all I knew, a pure fight or flight way of Life, always waiting on guard for the unexpected to hit the fan...
It's not easy finding Peace within ones self...It can be a long road from victim-hood to survivor-hood to thriver-hood...
Then throw in Spiritual guides pushing you into a new sense of Being and things can get overwhelmingly muddled but revealing a sense of direction
toward True Peace and Love and Joy or at times questioning ones own sanity...It can all be a bit much at times...
It becomes easier now that I have a Life to look back on and can see those Spirit guided path corrections...
But when your going through the hurdles and obstacles it's like drowning in a foot of water not knowing you can just stand up...

Alright I seem to be rambling, and I didn't know how to respond to these difficult topics so I'll just leave it at that...

...Peace...

[sentient]

Originally Posted by eezi-ulgen

I can't seem to function well in this world of so called civilization...
There seems to be no place in it that I seem to fit or belong 100%...

Yeah, well, it gets messy and I was getting all tangled up here in my mind thinking about it all …
The ‘lost soul syndrome’ in the world of so-called civilization … I used to feel it too and sometimes becoming so conflicted was driving me up the wall … just getting so angry at life/ways others around me thought was normal, when it for me was at times ‘surreal’ and incomprehensible.

There is a Finnish Saami bloke I sometimes meet in town. He had/has such social anxiety - he like I - both ‘escaped’ our respective psychological ‘misfitism’ by integrating into a ‘First Nations’ group.
And yes, with the NDE or ‘shamanic death’ one experiences our spiritual HOME.
But in this world integrating into that ‘tribe’ was “homecoming” to me.
So, I guess you and I have been in a similar ‘boat’.

Was thinking about it yesterday and how I really should take the train and visit them, pay my respects. Then coming home from the shops, there were a lot of workmen around our housing and I bumped into one of them finishing his work, so of course you say hello and how is it going ... which led to us having quite a long conversation.
A First Nations guy.
I’m still feeling the ‘after-effects’ of our encounter & I cannot really explain the difference, but once again, I was reminded how artificial we normally are in our 'civilized world' social interactions …

Neither of us had any colour/race barrier, we were just naturally psychologically totally open to one another, naturally trusting, sharing and caring.
Yet I didn’t have to act polite; I didn’t need to be open; I didn’t need to be caring …. all of that was already given - already sorted - naturally present like air.
I mean - one cannot congratulate one’s self about one’s mental openness, if it already is an unconditionally open situation where that “openness” isn’t “mine”.

However, turned out his family ‘belonged’ to the same group I had integrated/assimilated into, only they had moved away quite some time before I moved there.
Funny dat. One minute I was thinking about really needing to meet them and the next minute I bumped into one of them.
Good timing, and that “timing” wasn’t “mine” either.
Although yesterday I was delayed and went to do my weekly shopping later than I normally do and had (‘sniffing the air’) wondered if there was any significance to that delay.

Well – Spirit always works with “Swiss-Clock” accuracy.