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Old 21-07-2021, 02:14 AM
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Indeed. It depends where we stand on our path. Those at an early stage may well succumb to blind faith and docile obedience because they are still learning about spiritual discrimination. Those who are more advanced can benefit from the guidance of a spiritual teacher without losing their inner integrity.Peace
I don't know what spiritual discrimination is, but everyone has the ability to discern for themselves. If you get wiser, you discern more rightly. Meditation has something to do with that... Not a problem, but it's very nuanced, and there will be help along the way, but there is a lot of nonsense in the spiritual narrative, highly praised, but nonsense none-the-less, and if people don't discern well, they are likely to be misled. Especially devotion... is a road to crazy-town.


It's a good subject, because it's about vulnerability and being mislead, which is going to come back to ethics, compassion, trust and that sort of thing...
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Old 21-07-2021, 03:05 AM
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There's definitely a danger of that, but it's not a given that it'll happen like that - having an inner integrity and recognising when you might be clutching to the coat-tails of a particular person is important, I think, and recognising that there's a world of difference between knowing the path and actually walking it.
I have heard and read about many disasters with spiritual organisations, and corruption is also common, so I would not attempt to convince anyone they need a spiritual teacher to see them led astray. I think if people are feeling kinda desperate they become vulnerable to false promises and hope, and much of spirituality preys on that.

I really think that the 'teachers' along the way listen to you far more than they tell you, and there is an art to making enough space for things to grow. It's like a garden. You take care of the soil and things grow best. Plants already know how to grow. When they are young they need attention and protection, but you can't make them grow. Just optimise conditions
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Old 21-07-2021, 09:07 AM
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Could we not say that at one point everything becomes a teacher?
Agree, there's nothing that doesn't teach you something
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Old 21-07-2021, 10:32 AM
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Agree, there's nothing that doesn't teach you something

That's true, even the distinction between everything and Nothing comes to vanish.
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I really think that the 'teachers' along the way listen to you far more than they tell you, and there is an art to making enough space for things to grow. It's like a garden. You take care of the soil and things grow best. Plants already know how to grow. When they are young they need attention and protection, but you can't make them grow. Just optimise conditions
That's a great analogy, I like that. I like how Adyashanti approaches it, he says that his job as a spiritual teacher isn't to answer the student's questions, it's to question their answers - a true spiritual teacher helps the student to find their own way, in my opinion, they don't spoon-feed them.
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Old 21-07-2021, 06:44 PM
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Agree, there's nothing that doesn't teach you something
But, at some point, the "Law of Diminishing Returns" comes into play.
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Old 21-07-2021, 06:54 PM
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But, at some point, the "Law of Diminishing Returns" comes into play.
Well I've learned something else
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Old 22-07-2021, 03:25 AM
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I want to add just one more point about this teacher issue and this can be applied to all fields of life, not alone spirituality. Then, i will go back to the thread.

Whenever we seek for any guidance or help in any aspect of the life, the only thing we can judge accurately in the intent of the teacher, not his/her knowledge of that field. Because, if we are looking at someone for some guidance, it implies we consider that person more knowledgeable/wise than ourselves otherwise there is no point for consulting that person. So, the question arises here how can we judge such a person whom we consider more wise or knowledgeable than ourselves? Going by logic, that is impossible because it would be like judging a P.HD professor by a high school student.

But yes, one can judge wiser person than him/her purely by intent. That does not require higher knowledge. Do not look for the knowledge of the teacher/politician. Instead of that try to understand his/her intent which can done easily by looking at his life. Odds are in the favor that you will end up with the right choice though still there is no 100% guarantee of that getting right but you will get it right eventually as you move along.

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Old 22-07-2021, 09:37 AM
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Odds are in the favor that you will end up with the right choice though still there is no 100% guarantee of that getting right but you will get it right eventually as you move along.
Yes when the time is right we will get there
Good advice Zinnat, thank you.
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Old 22-07-2021, 10:34 AM
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Good advice Zinnat, thank you.
You are most welcome.

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