How to think happy if you are sad?

[Ewwerrin]

if you get what you what think about, and you cannot think happy thoughts if you are sad, then how can you think happy thoughts to manifest happiness aka unconditional alignment?

EDIT: quote abraham: This is a vibrational universe, and you are vibration and you create your own reality, and Law of Attraction manages it all, and you get what you think about.
I like that, but if you are vibrating sadness, then you cannot manifest a thought of happiness. And so you cannot think what you want. And so you cannot create your own reality. Huh? That contradicts the first statement. I don't understand how this is possible. Can anyone help explain?

[Miss Hepburn]

Contrary to popular belief - I was once a depressed person ..for well over a year anyway.
Then, a therapist friend said, ''Ok. Enough, now you have to learn Thought Control.''
Huh? It was such a foreign idea...I thought ya just, ''go with whatever you're feeling".
What a bunch of baloney THAT its!
If you just go with some 'mood' - it can take you into a pit.

So for a week I did what she said, When I have a thought that is depressing, (because of a breakup)..Stop and change the channel...just think of something else.

After a week it worked - the earth didn't stop turning because I didn't think sad thought thoughts.

Hmmm....so I did it for another week.
And never stopped. That was around 2007. That was before LOA and Abraham-Hicks.

Your emotions are in your control ---like the rudder on a boat...you steer your thoughts, they steer your ups and downs.

BUT, my opinion? As long as you savor your suffering, your troubles, your anger or jealousies or regrets (aka suffering)---wallowing in them out of control,
you will never make the change or the effort to stop once and for all.
PERIOD.
That's my input.
And I have said it many times over the years here. Hope it helps someone who is ready to stop the sadness.

Maybe one more week for someone reading this of sadness, depression, self-loathing and a person will have had enough!!!
That's all it takes.
Having enough of that nonsense!

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Contrary to popular belief - I was once a depressed person ..for well over a year anyway.
Then, a therapist friend said, ''Ok. Enough, now you have to learn Thought Control.''
Huh? It was such a foreign idea...I thought ya just, ''go with whatever your're feeling".
What a bunch of baloney THAT its!
If you just go with some 'mood' - it can take you into a pit.

So for a week I did what she said, When I have a thought that is depressing, (because of a breakup)..Stop and change the channel...just think of something else.

After a week it worked - the earth didn't stop turning because I didn't think sad thought thoughts.

Hmmm....so I did it for another week.
And never stopped. That was around 2007. That was before LOA and Abraham-Hicks.

Your emotions are in your control ---like the rudder on a boat...you steer your thoughts, they steer your ups and downs.

BUT, my opinion? As long as you savor your suffering, your troubles, your anger or jealousies or regrets (aka suffering)---wallowing in them out of control,
you will never make the change or the effort to stop once and for all.
PERIOD.
That's my input.
And I have said it many times over the years here. Hope it helps someone who is ready to stop the sadness.

Maybe one more week for someone reading this of sadness, depression, self-loathing and a person will have had enough!!!
That's all it takes.
Having enough of that nonsense!

I do have enough of that nonsense, and have had enough of it for a long time. And I meditated 10 years to cope. But it still keeps coming. And when I feel a little bit of positive emotion, boom everything explodes and I'm back at -10. I have resistance to feeling good appearantly. I focused deliberately and hard on feeling good, consistently pure focus relentless focus and I felt waaaay worse than when I meditate. and feel nothing. For days... There was a very fractured glimpse of a bulge of positive emotion, like burp that was stuck in my chest and just vanished internally like a snail in its shell. And that positive emotion caused like allot of resistance to come to the surface and boom negative emotion, back to meditating and not feeling anything again.

Currently I can only reach boredom, cause i do this for 10 years now. made some progress towards boredom in all of that time, but still, one ounce of contentment and boom my entire reality explodes. I have to force it really sooooo hard to even get any positive emotion at all. I don't think determination is really gonna work here. Yet that is not what Abraham says. Abraham says that going from boredom to contentment is the EASIEST thing. It takes me days to focus, and my focus is very difficult, but with extreme effort it back fires. And with not enough effort, it takes days to focus on letting go and really finding tiny bits of relief from neutrality tipping point to contentment. And then the contentment lasts very short or it is very vague like half content. Very meager contentment.

[Ewwerrin]

So, how do I know what I am suppose to think about? Because every thought I can think, will just come from the vibration of not happy, so there is no way to think happy and thus get happy?

Or would you suggest changing the channel so often untill I become confused. Or diffuse my focus so much that I don't feel any emotion, which I can also do. But then from the tipping point of neutrality. The moment I activate a thought, any thought, it becomes negative or boring.

Like I'm standing on the tipping of the scale and I lean forward and the scale falls backwards. So I'm standing on the tip for hours on end, perfect neutrality, emotional wise. Yet like I can't even succeed in that tiny little nudge forward. It backfires all of the time even in the slightest of leaning towards the positive.

And if this keeps up im gonna start becoming afraid of positive emotion or positive energy. And I know that makes no sense. And I'm honestly not doing this on purpose. I know IT IS SUPPOSE TO FEEL GOOD TO FEEL GOOD. So there must be something that I am missing here.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

So, how do I know what I am suppose to think about? Because every thought I can think, will just come from the vibration of not happy, so there is no way to think happy and thus get happy?

Or would you suggest changing the channel so often untill I become confused. Or diffuse my focus so much that I don't feel any emotion, which I can also do. But then from the tipping point of neutrality. The moment I activate a thought, any thought, it becomes negative or boring.

And if this keeps up im gonna start becoming afraid of positive emotion or positive energy. And I know that makes no sense. And I'm honestly not doing this on purpose. I know IT IS SUPPOSE TO FEEL GOOD TO FEEL GOOD. So there must be something that I am missing here.

You may find it helpful to read The Sedona Method by Hale Dwoskin.

Letting go of what you are wanting to change in the NOW is the key to achieving serenity when you've been finding it difficult to let go of specific feelings or beliefs, or when you have any indecision about releasing. ... If you are stuck, let go of wanting to change the stuckness.

Much good advice in this book, and very practical.

Peace

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by flow.alignment

Thoughts can be both...

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...light, etc.).

Omg thanks so much for the clarifying response. I really appreciate it.

TLDR: I used to experience most joys followed by despairs and most despairs followed by joys, which violate this "vibrational range" that most abers agree upon, exists. And the desire to align with steady eternal improvement, has me manifesting instant inevitable duality experiences. No person has ever asked this to abraham and I have been asking about this forever, and searching for hotseaters who asked it, even in the days the archive was there, and bought so many transcripts and workshops, and can't find anything regarding this.

Have been trying to figure this out for a long time. Finally found someone who provides clarity for me.

So, everything you say, I can confirm with my own personal experience. However, I am stuck at the center point, between boredom and contentment, being the tipping of the scale, and a state of wonder. And as I move into the positive direction, every positive vibrational improvement expands also the negative corrolating "unwanted" end of that stick.

Contentment that I have a roof over my head and a home, instantly activates resistance of worry that not having a home brings. And this happens with everything, every subject, every thought, purposefully thought or not. Every awareness. Every vibration and energy. It feels like an infinite meaningless duality, from which there is no escape, except by moving ignorantly towards the positive/negative, denying that the opposite end will always inevitably manifest by doing that, sacrificial approach. Allowing joy to manifest despair. Or allowing despair to manifest joy. Like a pendulum. Move it one way and it WILL go the other way. Unless I don't want that duality, then no matter what movement I make, the opposite also instantly is allowed by me to reveal itself. Which causes me to stay stuck in neutrality indefinitely.

Hope someone can help me understand this. I'm afraid that I'm the only person who knows this or is experiencing this or has even reached this experience at all.

Originally Posted by iamthat

You may find it helpful to read The Sedona Method by Hale Dwoskin.

Letting go of what you are wanting to change in the NOW is the key to achieving serenity when you've been finding it difficult to let go of specific feelings or beliefs, or when you have any indecision about releasing. ... If you are stuck, let go of wanting to change the stuckness.

Much good advice in this book, and very practical.

Peace

Yes, thanks. Here again, this duality keeps returning. I can only let go of being stuck, if I want to reach joy while surrendering to the despair that will eventually come out of that. But as long as my desire to surpass this duality remains, it is impossible for me to let of being stuck in neutrality, between boredom and contentment. Or a state of "wonder." Because my soul has "BECOME" the desire to surpass this duality and this I become conscious or aware of both ends of the stick on every single vibration that is activated or experienced within my awareness. Including the duality regarding letting go and being stuck.

I hope someone can help me leave this duality behind, as I have been here for more than 10 years. No person has ever asked this to abraham and I have been asking about this forever, and searching for hotseaters who asked it, even in the days the archive was there, and bought so many transcripts and workshops, and can't find anything regarding this issue.

One person was told by abraham, regarding this issue "you want to embrace everything about this life experience." And that was their answer to all duality questions. That we have to embrace it. That it is normal, if you wanna enjoy life, you should also suffer it, and if you wanna suffer life you should also enjoy it. That the energy balance is unavoidable by law. But our experience of it always changes. And we get to decide how we wanna "dance" in all of that. Experience the illusion in infinite different ways. I want to escape it, and yes, that means accepting where I am. But it keeps me in neutrality. And after 10 years this still hasn't changed. They also say that nothing is more worthwhile talking about, but no one has ever asked them about it.

[flow.alignment]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Omg thanks so much for the clarifying response. I really appreciate it.

Glad it was helpful!

TLDR: I used to experience most joys followed by despairs and most despairs followed by joys, which violate this "vibrational range" that most abers agree upon, exists.

The way Abe explains this is:
How you feel has 2 components to it - desire and resistance to that desire.

When your desire is really high and your resistance is also really high, that results in a strong negative emotion, like despair.

When your desire is really high and you have no resistance, it results in a powerful positive emotion, like joy.

From that understanding, you can get a sense of how the emotions in the middle can result.

Little or no desire and little resistance can land you around the center of the Emotional Guidance Scale - somewhere around boredom and contentment.

This explains how it's vibrationally possible to swing from one extreme to another, from despair to joy and vice-versa. If you're feeling despair and you're able to release all of your resistance, you'll swing to joy. Or if you're feeling joy and quickly build up a lot of resistance, you'll swing to despair/depression/etc.

Abe calls these quantum leaps (they mention it at the start of this clip). They aren't very common, but are possible.

You've talked about frequently alternating between extremes in the past. If you're used to a feeling, it's much easier to return to it. So if you were very familiar with both, that might explain how you were able to jump from one extreme to the other.

And the desire to align with steady eternal improvement, has me manifesting instant inevitable duality experiences. No person has ever asked this to abraham and I have been asking about this forever, and searching for hotseaters who asked it, even in the days the archive was there, and bought so many transcripts and workshops, and can't find anything regarding this.

Have been trying to figure this out for a long time. Finally found someone who provides clarity for me.

So, everything you say, I can confirm with my own personal experience. However, I am stuck at the center point, between boredom and contentment, being the tipping of the scale, and a state of wonder. And as I move into the positive direction, every positive vibrational improvement expands also the negative corrolating "unwanted" end of that stick.

Contentment that I have a roof over my head and a home, instantly activates resistance of worry that not having a home brings.

You've talked about duality as if the wanted and unwanted are inextricably linked. As if you can't help manifesting the negative along with a positive.

Let's break this down and try to figure out what's happening here.

When you're around the middle of the emotional guidance scale (boredom or contentment) in terms of feeling (rather than number, where the middle would be feeling overwhelmed or disappointed) that implies you have very little desire about things flowing.

If you had stronger desire, you might be living in a state of worry (with resistance) or positive expectation (what seems to be an equivalent amount of desire without resistance).

You've mentioned "end of that stick" so you know about what Abe calls "vibrational sticks" - every subject is really 2 subjects, what's wanted on one end of the stick and unwanted on the opposite end. I think this is and what Abe calls "contrast" are the closest things to duality in their framework.

With every subject you have a vibrational habit (in mental terms, a belief ) - you have a place on that stick that is where your vibrational set point is.

You are only attracting in the moment based on how you feel in the moment.

You might have a negative belief about something, but if you aren't thinking about it or vibrating in alignment with it, then it isn't a creative/attracting influence in your life. This is why it's possible to attract things you don't specially believe you can have. If you hold yourself in a good feeling state while avoiding thinking of the topic you have a negative belief about for long enough, you can attract the thing you want. In the time you're in a good feeling state and are not thinking of the belief, that belief is dormant.

As an example, let's say someone is single, we're looking at the vibrational stick about the presence of a partner, and their set-point on that stick is a feeling of discouragement about it. Discouragement reflects a fair amount of both desire and resistance.

When they think of the subject of having a partner in their lives, they pick up that stick and feel the emotion relating to where their set point is - they feel discouraged.

This is uncomfortable, so what many people do is they release the desire to reduce the intensity of the emotion.

If they watch a movie that reignites the desire - they start thinking of how nice it would be to meet someone, then they'll feel a flareup of negative emotion because they've increased their desire but still have a fair amount of resistance (could be a belief that they don't deserve love or that someone with their interests is difficult to find, etc.) about the topic.

So they think of finding a partner again, feel the pain of it from the increased desire, and then respond by releasing the desire again which alleviates the discomfort of not having what they want.

It's like you have control over a dam that lets water into a channel that has boulders in it. If you open the floodgates and water pours through, the boulders create a lot of resistance. If you reduce flow of water down to a gentle stream, the boulders don't cause much turbulence but they're still present.

This is one possible explanation for what you're experiencing:

Your feeling of boredom could be the result of releasing your desires on many subjects that you still have some resistance around. This resistance is not experienced strongly because you don't have much desire regarding them.

When you think of a topic (pick up the stick) and reach for a good feeling thought, you feel the dissonance of where you're focusing and where your set point is on the topic (Edit: And as you vibrate at that set point, you might also attract a thought in vibrational alignment with it - the result being, you think of a positive thought and a negative one comes up right after). Or if you increase your desire on the topic, you start feeling worse.

A solution would be to change your beliefs or habits of thought/focus (remove the boulders) and then get excited about the topic again (open the floodgates).

If you've really released all resistance regarding a topic (no longer have any negative beliefs or habits of focus about it) and you let your desire for it soar then your dominant feeling about it would be joyful expectation - you would not swing in the opposite direction.

If you're feeling joyful expectation thoughts about the possibility of it not happening would not enter your mind.

Alternately, you could work on raising your vibration while keeping your mind off of topics that feel negative. Sometimes there are topics that are so big, that they're very difficult to ignore. If you aren't able to keep from thinking about it, then you'll need to work on changing your beliefs/vibration about it.

Does this help or is there anything I've misunderstood about what you're experiencing?

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by flow.alignment

Glad it was helpful!


The way Abe explains this is:
How you feel has 2 components to it - desire and resistance to that desire.

When your desire is really high and your resistance is also really high, that results in a strong negative emotion, like despair.

When your desire is really high and you have no resistance, it results in a powerful positive emotion, like joy.

From that understanding, you can get a sense of how the emotions in the middle can result.

Little or no desire and little resistance can land you around the center of the Emotional Guidance Scale - somewhere around boredom and contentment.

This explains how it's vibrationally possible to swing from one extreme to another, from despair to joy and vice-versa. If you're feeling despair and you're able to release all of your resistance, you'll swing to joy. Or if you're feeling joy and quickly build up a lot of resistance, you'll swing to despair/depression/etc.

Abe calls these quantum leaps (they mention it at the start of this clip). They aren't very common, but are possible.

You've talked about frequently alternating between extremes in the past. If you're used to a feeling, it's much easier to return to it. So if you were very familiar with both, that might explain how you were able to jump from one extreme to the other.


You've talked about duality as if the wanted and unwanted are inextricably linked. As if you can't help manifesting the negative along with a positive.

Let's break this down and try to figure out what's happening here.

When you're around the middle of the emotional guidance scale (boredom or contentment) in terms of feeling (rather than number, where the middle would be feeling overwhelmed or disappointed) that implies you have very little desire about things flowing.

If you had stronger desire, you might be living in a state of worry (with resistance) or positive expectation (what seems to be an equivalent amount of desire without resistance).

You've mentioned "end of that stick" so you know about what Abe calls "vibrational sticks" - every subject is really 2 subjects, what's wanted on one end of the stick and unwanted on the opposite end. I think this is and what Abe calls "contrast" are the closest things to duality in their framework.

With every subject you have a vibrational habit (in mental terms, a belief ) - you have a place on that stick that is where your vibrational set point is.

You are only attracting in the moment based on how you feel in the moment.

You might have a negative belief about something, but if you aren't thinking about it or vibrating in alignment with it, then it isn't a creative/attracting influence in your life. This is why it's possible to attract things you don't specially believe you can have. If you hold yourself in a good feeling state while avoiding thinking of the topic you have a negative belief about for long enough, you can attract the thing you want. In the time you're in a good feeling state and are not thinking of the belief, that belief is dormant.

As an example, let's say someone is single, we're looking at the vibrational stick about the presence of a partner, and their set-point on that stick is a feeling of discouragement about it. Discouragement reflects a fair amount of both desire and resistance.

When they think of the subject of having a partner in their lives, they pick up that stick and feel the emotion relating to where their set point is - they feel discouraged.

This is uncomfortable, so what many people do is they release the desire to reduce the intensity of the emotion.

If they watch a movie that reignites the desire - they start thinking of how nice it would be to meet someone, then they'll feel a flareup of negative emotion because they've increased their desire but still have a fair amount of resistance (could be a belief that they don't deserve love or that someone with their interests is difficult to find, etc.) about the topic.

So they think of finding a partner again, feel the pain of it from the increased desire, and then respond by releasing the desire again which alleviates the discomfort of not having what they want.

It's like you have control over a dam that lets water into a channel that has boulders in it. If you open the floodgates and water pours through, the boulders create a lot of resistance. If you reduce flow of water down to a gentle stream, the boulders don't cause much turbulence but they're still present.

This is one possible explanation for what you're experiencing:

Your feeling of boredom could be the result of releasing your desires on many subjects that you still have some resistance around. This resistance is not experienced strongly because you don't have much desire regarding them.

When you think of a topic (pick up the stick) and reach for a good feeling thought, you feel the dissonance of where you're focusing and where your set point is on the topic (Edit: And as you vibrate at that set point, you might also attract a thought in vibrational alignment with it - the result being, you think of a positive thought and a negative one comes up right after). Or if you increase your desire on the topic, you start feeling worse.

A solution would be to change your beliefs or habits of thought/focus (remove the boulders) and then get excited about the topic again (open the floodgates).

If you've really released all resistance regarding a topic (no longer have any negative beliefs or habits of focus about it) and you let your desire for it soar then your dominant feeling about it would be joyful expectation - you would not swing in the opposite direction.

If you're feeling joyful expectation thoughts about the possibility of it not happening would not enter your mind.

Alternately, you could work on raising your vibration while keeping your mind off of topics that feel negative. Sometimes there are topics that are so big, that they're very difficult to ignore. If you aren't able to keep from thinking about it, then you'll need to work on changing your beliefs/vibration about it.

Does this help or is there anything I've misunderstood about what you're experiencing?

I really appreciate this, and thanks again. And I agree with all of it.

But as abraham says, just reach for unconditional joy. And that is what I am doing. So I desire to feel unconditional joy. But it's not here. So I imagine it, and I go focus on God Source Energy flowing freely through me, and imagine it, for days, relentlessly. And meditate, to allow and allow and allow. But it doesn't change anything. I will always feel neutral. In between contentment and boredom. So NO EMOTION. And Sure there are fluctuations, where I feel like a gentle breeze of positive emotion, from time to time, that lasts less than a second, like energetic movements, and equally I feel negative emotions, move through me, very gently and fluctuatingly. But the set point is neutrality. No emotion. No matter how much I focus on good feelings. The feelings always turn into a fading sensation of positive emotion, or a positive emotion that I allow to expand, only to reveal in that expansion that it has equal amount of negative emotions within the very positive emotion.

So let's say that there is resistance. "God Source Energy, is temporary and omni half present." That is my experience, but I don't believe that that is my believe. My believe is that God Source Energy is fully omni present. So I focus on the bliss and joy of it. And again, at best I manifest a cool breeze pleasant positive emotion. That is very fluctuating and temporary. It's like there are billions of positive sensations a second and also billions of negative sensations. They may not happen simultaneously, but they co-exist. No matter how much I focus on the positive. And I can go focusing for days. It doesn't change anything. I will just believe relentlessly that everything is good and positive. And I am feeling good. But it doesn't change the actual emotional indicator. That is just indicating all the vibrations that are constantly moving through me, as me, and it feels like infinite vibrational fluctuational feelings and emotions that are very condensed and together and fast moving and fast changing. Like, new emotions, every single time, but they all feel in general overall, neutral. They fluctuate around neutrality.

So yes. I feel good sometimes, for no reason. But it lasts literally less than a second. And I always try to snapshot it, and emphasise it, and really focus on it. But it doesn't expand. It will just remain a snapshot in my awareness. And I focus intensely and concentratedly on it, untill it becomes my whole experience, and then when I come out of that focus. Nothing has changed. Overall, even the pleasant sensations, when expanded upon, in my physical manifestational experience, still have absolutely EQUAL positive and negative emotional movements and experiences and sensations in them.

[Miss Hepburn]

You ''focused hard on feeling good...''

Maybe too hard...this is what I mean.
Say, your baby has crawled to the edge of the bed.
Do you pick it up and roughly put it back at the center?
No.
You gently place it back.
If the needle gets stuck on a record do you roughly slam it back into the groove?
No.

Just when you feel something you would rather not...gently place your focus on something
that feels a little better.
Do not expect to go from sad to blissfully happy in 4 seconds or 4 min!
As Abraham says ..reach for the better feeling feeling --that's all;
it could be as simple as, ''Oh, I forgot I have that new book to relax with'' Goody..
That's better than the sad thoughts you were having .
It's a practice...
Until you can recognize what the mind is doing to you and you keep nipping it in the bud...it gets tired bothering you
after awhile and you can feel good most of the time now!

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

You ''focused hard on feeling good...''
Maybe too hard...this is what I mean.
Say, your baby has crawled to the edge of the bed.
Do you pick it up and roughly put it back at the center?
No. ....

What is that something that feels better tho? The highest vibration I know I can comfortably reach, is boredom. But it's still not comfortable enough ofcourse. So I try to stay neutral and reach for that. Contentment and acceptance. Letting go and letting god, like wayne dyer always says.
I keep letting go and letting god. And that's the best I can do. But that is so easy that it always gets back to boredom.

Where I am just staring at a wall or dozing off into semi-consciousness. and I say to myself. How can I be happy about this wall? Content. Well, it's a nice sturdy wall, flat... And those words don't move my emotion at all. It's a sturdy wall, it really is, a nice flat smackable wall, but I don't seem to care. And then I say, ok it's alright that I don't care about the wall. I don't have to care about the wall. I am free from the obligation to care about the wall. So I look at my keyboard, and there are many letters on it, overwhelment. No... Back to the wall. The wall is simpler. Easier. But still boring. Impossible to reach contentment.

I think I'm doing something wrong. Otherwise I'm just gonna go back to bed and sleep for another 10 more years or so.