Adam and Eve and Creation: Literal or Figurative?

Originally Posted by sky123

Copied from other beliefs Systems, I personally believe in Evolution

I see no conflict with how the bible shows us evolve and how nature has us evolve.

Both systems demand and forces us to sin.

Without sin, or doing evil by competing, we would go extinct.

If you can read the bible in a more naturalistic way, it makes a lot of sense.

If you read it literally, god help you, but that might be the only way Christians can explain why they call sin a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh' plan.

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DL

Originally Posted by tom63376

What is your view of the Story of Creation? Do you see it as literally true or figurative and symbolic?

It could almost be read literally, if one recognize that all that happens to others in the scriptures, we are to read as what happens to us internally.

We are to walk in the shoes of all the make believe characters, including the talking serpent, if we are to truly understand Genesis.

I think that not understanding it became easier when Christianity changed the moral of the story of Eden, --- from a success for man and god as told by the Jewish view of Original Virtue, --- to *Deleted, rude" Original Sin, where everyone loses in Eden.

Few seem to be inclined to debate how evil Eden makes Yahweh seem, given that he basically murders A & E by neglect and locking away what would have kept them alive. The tree of Life.

Christians have a good bible but they read it *** backwards.

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DL

Originally Posted by inavalan

Symbolic. You have to interpret the meaning behind symbols.

In your opinion, was Eden a success or a failure for Yahweh?

For A & E/mankind?

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DL

Originally Posted by Altair

It seems literal by the way it is described.

?? I would think the opposite.

How do you see your way when the text includes a talking serpent who cannot be taken literally.

Further, which literal creation stories of A & E is real?

The both made from clay at the same time one, or do you favor the rib woman creation?

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DL

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

Why on earth were they thrown out the garden for the sake of eating a simple piece of fruit. Omg. It is what it is, as in the story of Adam and Eve as recorded in the Bible. Amen

Did you ever read the story, and if so, what fruit are you talking about?

They consumed knowledge did they not?

IMO, Christians use the apple to hide the fact that it is all education and knowledge that is being denied A & E.

Many governments and religions want dumbed down citizens, as they are easier to swindle and control.

*Deleted, political*

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DL

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

I think it does not really matter.


There are key references that are worth considering though.

Yes, please, like3 he shall rule over you in Gen 3.

That G D line has been used forever to discriminate against women forever.

Strange that a woman would think that that kind of *Deleted* does not really matter, given all the harm to half the world.

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DL

Originally Posted by BigJohn

That is how it comes across to me.

How do you literally read about a talking serpent or a woman made from a man's rib?

Do you not see such ideas as non-literal, or do you believe they exist in a literal way?

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DL

Originally Posted by Aknaton

Adam is an actual person. He is in Heaven now.

Is Adam one person or two? Is he both male and female like the androgenous Yahweh?

“Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”

Hebrew does not use capital letters, but the use her shows clearly that adam means society or tribe.

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DL

Originally Posted by BigJohn

She is not in Hell. Hell is not 'found' in the Bible unless a person is looking at a translation that mistranslates it so that it appears that Hell does exist.

We all end in heaven, do we?

Gnostic Christians know this but Christians seem to think more like ----

https://www.google.ca/search?q=kenny...client=gws-wiz

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DL

Originally Posted by Rah nam

It obviously is a metaphor, and much older than the bible suggests.
As far as I know it know it was mentioned in the Sumerian texts.

Yes indeed, but those same text indicate that the story should be read *** a myth.

Many Sumerian carvings remain and most show a pineal gland, which indicated a more esoteric reading should be used, when looking at their myths.

The same applies to the Egyptian parts that the bible, mostly the O.T. ended in plagiarizing.

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DL