A Changing World

[magonia]

Since the COVID 19, the world in some ways has changed. The knock on effect for many of us has changed us completely.

Yet I have a feeling all this is necessary for a final place to appear or occur. With the locusts swarming in many parts of the world, strange lighting occurring also in China and other places, it seems the spiritual has a great affect on the physical world.

To what end, well to place us all in a position to evolve in a spiritual sense, something which has been stagnated for many of us, by worldly ways, and the affect of the physical environment on our own well being.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by magonia

Since the COVID 19, the world in some ways has changed. The knock on effect for many of us has changed us completely.

Yet I have a feeling all this is necessary for a final place to appear or occur. With the locusts swarming in many parts of the world, strange lighting occurring also in China and other places, it seems the spiritual has a great affect on the physical world.

To what end, well to place us all in a position to evolve in a spiritual sense, something which has been stagnated for many of us, by worldly ways, and the affect of the physical environment on our own well being.

Hi ;)

It certainly is strange times, as strange as I have ever witnessed, but I dare say in times past that the same was said when the world wars started and such likes .

I have an understanding of things cannot be any different from as they are so it's complexed and simple at the same time when trying to work out what it's all about and for reasons why life is at it is .

There definitely seems to be a balancing act in place where energies seem to address the imbalance for use of a better word .

Sometimes there needs war before peace can be, but peace doesn't seem last forever does it .

So within the forever changing world there always seems to be something to create a ripple in a still pond .



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Change from Covid resounds because it's been abrupt but from what I recall from history it's little different from other times when pestilence has struck. The many wars have wrought change, likewise political upheavals.
Perhaps the big change (that facilitated Covid) was international movement becoming so easy - starting probably in the 1950s. But for that, many countries including the UK (which is an island) could have practised containment.

From the human viewpoint, the world has always been in flux.
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[Busby]

Originally Posted by magonia

Since the COVID 19, the world in some ways has changed. The knock on effect for many of us has changed us completely.

Yet I have a feeling all this is necessary for a final place to appear or occur. With the locusts swarming in many parts of the world, strange lighting occurring also in China and other places, it seems the spiritual has a great affect on the physical world.

To what end, well to place us all in a position to evolve in a spiritual sense, something which has been stagnated for many of us, by worldly ways, and the affect of the physical environment on our own well being.

The last thing we would want is for the world to stay the same. And if we could where would we choose? When was anything any better?

Why should 'a final place appear or occur'? There are no grounds to believe that any 'Armageddon' should take place as something planned or willed. That wouldn't be 'development'.

Locusts have been swarming for centuries, lightning takes on many forms.
Catastrophes, both natural and man-made have destroyed habitats and many lives, we can't really want to believe that these are in any way 'spiritual'. When countries go to war 'God' isn't on anyone's side.

The world is constantly becoming a better place, all those voices issuing from their dark dens of dogma and odd sense of justice refuse to see this.
Occasionally something comes along which overwhelms, but that also passes and we move on.

It's called evolution.

[Altair]

I've heard people talk about this ''change'' or ''reset'' but I've noticed it's becoming a bit of a code word for Marxist ideals.

Busby above me here mentions the decline of nature and wildlife habitat. There's a lot of people that think capitalism is ''bad'' for the environment, but what they may forget is that wildlife management/parks and species' protection in many places depend on income from tourists. U.S. parks, Costa Rica's rainforests, and multiple African countries are able to protect nature thanks to tourists. That means people catching a plane, sleeping in hotels, buying local goods from the shops, paying for guides, etc. Without tourists it becomes exceedingly hard for those people to make a living and they can't hold up their hands to the government ad infinitum. We need a functioning economy and we need people to consume to keep the world safe and prosperous. It's been shown over and over again. Sure, we can consume more sensibly but changing the entire system isn't going to improve the world.

[Jyotir]

Basically, most of our institutions - the socially organized provision of human need - are exhausted, obsolete, dysfunctional, and corrupted. They need to change, be supplanted, or greatly reformed because in the present context they are limited, limiting, and now largely self-serving or destructive, even if at one time they did serve a constructive necessary purpose. This applies to religious, economic, justice, educational, and especially the dominant unquestioned ethos of the current milieu: commercialism, as a force of social organization, from which all other institutions have become (whether consciously or unconsciously) subordinate and in many cases subservient.

This is why a more conscious spiritual culture needs to emerge - vs. desire-mind or ego-mind based.

~ J

Originally Posted by Jyotir

Basically, most of our institutions - the socially organized provision of human need - are exhausted, obsolete, dysfunctional, and corrupted. They need to change, be supplanted, or greatly reformed because in the present context they are limited, limiting, and now largely self-serving or destructive, even if at one time they did serve a constructive necessary purpose. This applies to religious, economic, justice, educational, and especially the dominant unquestioned ethos of the current milieu: commercialism, as a force of social organization, from which all other institutions have become (whether consciously or unconsciously) subordinate and in many cases subservient.

This is why a more conscious spiritual culture needs to emerge - vs. desire-mind or ego-mind based.

~ J

Thanks Jyotir; in your opinion, is that realistic on this Earth with humans?

[Jyotir]

Originally Posted by janielee

... is that realistic on this Earth with humans?

It is realistic because it is possible.

Reality, the Real - arguably the root of “realistic” - not only allows for this, it supports it unconditionally as an evolutionary progression. But human beings have self-conscious free-will.

We just have to make the choice to relinquish a complacent attachment to the unsatisfying past and an irrational but cleverly rationalized fear and falsely reasoned doubt of the unconditional unlimited unknown available within each life, and all life. It is largely those two things - attachment and fear - that creates a dire insecurity which exacerbates the untransformed desires and tendencies which are further enabled by an ultimately impotent - but provisionally effective - human intellect, mind, e.g., desire-mind, e.g., when not guided by spirit/spiritual aspiration.

Hence the world we see, and importantly the organized human institutions of all type and manner which support the preservation and perpetuation of these ultimately self-destructive tendencies - even if at one time they were progressive and helpful. That vs. the cultivation of faith in a truly aspiring fully available spiritual life which provides for the actual - not cynically induced, manipulated, or coerced - human need... without greed, deceiving, or harming of others (or oneself!) or the wholesale destruction of the environment as a standard mode of existence and purpose.

There are people who don’t believe in God which is the same thing as not believing in oneself. There are people who say they believe in God but don’t actually utilize that belief or what it represents in a real practical way in and for themselves which also has an effect on others. There are people who pretentiously proclaim a belief in God but cynically exercise the undivine human tendencies for personal advantage, often at the expense of the collective. When all three become institutionalized as pervasive organized social structures in all areas of life, the result is highly organized aimless corruption, dysfunction, obsolescence, chaos, and destruction.

Very few human beings at present have not only recognized the true inner potential of existence but have also actually consecrated their life in a practical responsible way of implementation of those principles.

This is the crisis of our time. The current events illustrate this as a surface appearance, but superficial solutions will not suffice. It’s really quite simple... human beings need to wake up to who they really are and begin to live that truth as a work in progress - real spirituality - instead of doing everything possible to avoid it, including and especially the intensive organizing, including and especially the hyper-intellectual reasoning of that avoidance.

~ J

Originally Posted by Jyotir

It is realistic because it is possible.

Reality, the Real - arguably the root of “realistic” - not only allows for this, it supports it unconditionally as an evolutionary progression. But human beings have self-conscious free-will.

We just have to make the choice to relinquish a complacent attachment to the unsatisfying past and an irrational but cleverly rationalized fear and falsely reasoned doubt of the unconditional unlimited unknown available within each life, and all life. It is largely those two things - attachment and fear - that creates a dire insecurity which exacerbates the untransformed desires and tendencies which are further enabled by an ultimately impotent - but provisionally effective - human intellect, mind, e.g., desire-mind, e.g., when not guided by spirit/spiritual aspiration.

Hence the world we see, and importantly the organized human institutions of all type and manner which support the preservation and perpetuation of these ultimately self-destructive tendencies - even if at one time they were progressive and helpful. That vs. the cultivation of faith in a truly aspiring fully available spiritual life which provides for the actual - not cynically induced, manipulated, or coerced - human need... without greed, deceiving, or harming of others (or oneself!) or the wholesale destruction of the environment as a standard mode of existence and purpose.

There are people who don’t believe in God which is the same thing as not believing in oneself. There are people who say they believe in God but don’t actually utilize that belief or what it represents in a real practical way in and for themselves which also has an effect on others. There are people who pretentiously proclaim a belief in God but cynically exercise the undivine human tendencies for personal advantage, often at the expense of the collective. When all three become institutionalized as pervasive organized social structures in all areas of life, the result is highly organized aimless corruption, dysfunction, obsolescence, chaos, and destruction.

Very few human beings at present have not only recognized the true inner potential of existence but have also actually consecrated their life in a practical responsible way of implementation of those principles.

This is the crisis of our time. The current events illustrate this as a surface appearance, but superficial solutions will not suffice. It’s really quite simple... human beings need to wake up to who they really are and begin to live that truth as a work in progress - real spirituality - instead of doing everything possible to avoid it, including and especially the intensive organizing, including and especially the hyper-intellectual reasoning of that avoidance.

~ J

Thank you.

[Starman]

Change usually starts at the smallest level; in the body it starts on a cellular level, and a single thought
can change our perspective. Think about it, something as small as a virus has changed this world.
Thing is we don’t usually acknowledge the changes until they evolve to our level of awareness, but make
no mistake, these changes, like a stroke or heart attack, where in progress long before we became aware
of them.