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Old 20-11-2020, 04:22 PM
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Loving God is the only proper use of: free-will / lack of God's guidance

Want to make your/others' life(s) better? You don't need free-will for that. God can give proper guidance for that.
Same goes for being good servant to God.
God can control you, theoretically, to make you do these things properly.

I had for long time sincerely wanted God's guidance that what does God want me to do in my life; made tries to get this guidance; but i didn't get it.
Then my goal became to know through direct-experience (enlightenment) that how i can best serve all persons / what's the best service i can do; but God didn't guide me to help me with my logical goal.
Only proper reason i see for lack of God's guidance and for existence of free will is that God wants me to love him.
Imagine having full control over your lover to make them love you, or guiding your lover on how to love you, how frustrating is that! - Love doesn't work like that.

My logic says: God wants me/us to love him; but my deeper/intuitive logic says: Loving God is the only proper use of free-will / lack of God's guidance.
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Old 20-11-2020, 06:29 PM
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My logic says: God wants me/us to love him;
but my deeper/intuitive logic says: Loving God is the only proper use of free-will ......
Well, you'll get no argument here!!! ❤️







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Old 21-11-2020, 02:22 AM
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This lack of guidance...remember God loves silence....He feels welcomed.
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Old 21-11-2020, 02:58 AM
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Want to make your/others' life(s) better? You don't need free-will for that. God can give proper guidance for that.
Same goes for being good servant to God.
God can control you, theoretically, to make you do these things properly.

I had for long time sincerely wanted God's guidance that what does God want me to do in my life; made tries to get this guidance; but i didn't get it.
Then my goal became to know through direct-experience (enlightenment) that how i can best serve all persons / what's the best service i can do; but God didn't guide me to help me with my logical goal.
Only proper reason i see for lack of God's guidance and for existence of free will is that God wants me to love him.
Imagine having full control over your lover to make them love you, or guiding your lover on how to love you, how frustrating is that! - Love doesn't work like that.

My logic says: God wants me/us to love him; but my deeper/intuitive logic says: Loving God is the only proper use of free-will / lack of God's guidance.
You receive guidance all the time, you just aren't aware of it. Some of your thoughts and impulses are actually guidance.

To consciously receive guidance you have to open a two-way connection using prayer, meditation, self-hypnosis, ...

You can't identify true guidance through an emotional or intellectual approach. For the beginning intuition might help, but you need a direct connection.
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Old 21-11-2020, 05:58 PM
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You receive guidance all the time, you just aren't aware of it. Some of your thoughts and impulses are actually guidance.

To consciously receive guidance you have to open a two-way connection using prayer, meditation, self-hypnosis, ...

You can't identify true guidance through an emotional or intellectual approach. For the beginning intuition might help, but you need a direct connection.

A connection with one of the vile god's in the mainstream religions, like Yahweh, may not be what he wants, if good morals are what he is trying to learn.

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Old 21-11-2020, 03:31 AM
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Want to make your/others' life(s) better? You don't need free-will for that. God can give proper guidance for that.
Same goes for being good servant to God.
God can control you, theoretically, to make you do these things properly.

I had for long time sincerely wanted God's guidance that what does God want me to do in my life; made tries to get this guidance; but i didn't get it.
Then my goal became to know through direct-experience (enlightenment) that how i can best serve all persons / what's the best service i can do; but God didn't guide me to help me with my logical goal.
Only proper reason i see for lack of God's guidance and for existence of free will is that God wants me to love him.
Imagine having full control over your lover to make them love you, or guiding your lover on how to love you, how frustrating is that! - Love doesn't work like that.

My logic says: God wants me/us to love him; but my deeper/intuitive logic says: Loving God is the only proper use of free-will / lack of God's guidance.
And we are all God.

Think about that.
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Old 21-11-2020, 05:55 PM
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Want to make your/others' life(s) better? You don't need free-will for that. God can give proper guidance for that.
Same goes for being good servant to God.
God can control you, theoretically, to make you do these things properly.

I had for long time sincerely wanted God's guidance that what does God want me to do in my life; made tries to get this guidance; but i didn't get it.
Then my goal became to know through direct-experience (enlightenment) that how i can best serve all persons / what's the best service i can do; but God didn't guide me to help me with my logical goal.
Only proper reason i see for lack of God's guidance and for existence of free will is that God wants me to love him.
Imagine having full control over your lover to make them love you, or guiding your lover on how to love you, how frustrating is that! - Love doesn't work like that.

My logic says: God wants me/us to love him; but my deeper/intuitive logic says: Loving God is the only proper use of free-will / lack of God's guidance.

Who is god to you, and if Yahweh, have you looked at his genocidal ways and the ways of his homophobic and misogynous religions?

Do you see Yahweh as a good moral teacher?

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Old 23-11-2020, 12:09 PM
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Who is god to you, and if Yahweh, have you looked at his genocidal ways and the ways of his homophobic and misogynous religions?

Do you see Yahweh as a good moral teacher?

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I know God as "supreme controller" from miraculous experiences in my life; i can share about some of those if you like. I don't know about Yahweh.. I think Lord Krishna is probably God.
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Old 23-11-2020, 12:34 PM
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I know God as "supreme controller" from miraculous experiences in my life; i can share about some of those if you like.
I don't know about Yahweh..
I think Lord Krishna is probably God.
:) Krishna.
God takes many forms - don't you think? Like a big Diamond in the sky with many facets -
all reflecting back to you what you relate to.
(Can't take credit for that image.)
A Blue Boy with a flute♫ , a man in robes, a Divine Mother in a sari or
holding a baby in a Raphael painting or a Native Am Chief...and so on.

Some even relate to a stern, punishing image...why.
Are they afraid of love; they make up up something scary to fear?
Is that something to stop their tendencies to do wrong things? Maybe they need that.

Sure tell us about miraculous experiences of yours.
It's possible people will be polite and not pooh-pooh them. Crossing fingers.
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Old 23-11-2020, 03:54 PM
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God takes many forms - don't you think?
Yes, when God appeared to me, he appeared not in form of Krishna but in form of face of elder man with long beard. He said "I've given you everything.", and showed me examples of that.

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Sure tell us about miraculous experiences of yours.
There was a period in my life when i had power to shape the future with my words and thoughts. This was either because at that time i used to do lot of mantra chanting or because i had very enthusiastic/+ve attitude.

I had rank 445 in an admission test. I developed friendship with rank 446 person. We both wanted admission in a particular course of a particular college. I decided that let us be the last ones to get admitted in it, i.e. admission to that course of that college to get closed at 446. It was highly unlikely given the closing rank of the previous year and the current year's trend. During admission process other students were anxious whether they'll get admission in that course & college, but i wasn't because i had already decided the closing rank. And yeah, admission to that course & college did get close at exact 446.

I'm not seeing this as coincidence, as during that time when i had this power i used to feel the control.

After getting admission, i ran into my school classmate who had also come for admission to that university. She requested me to say that she'll get admission to a particular course of a particular college oh her choice. I said she will. Her rank wasn't enough so she got admitted to a different course, but then she became one of the few students to get upgraded based on first year performance and she got admitted to the course & college she initially wanted.

There was another period in my life when i used to feel spiritually connected, it was when i was an innocent child. A cricket match was to begin, i had no analysis of the skills of the teams playing, my friend asked me to say that the team he was cheering for will win. I said with full confidence that no, the match will be draw (Before beginning of match). It was draw. Then before re-match i said that a particular team will win, and that's what happened. I didn't say this based on any analysis of their cricket skills.

I met a girl who when she was a child said out of anger that a particular uncle of hers will die on the 100th day from that day. Her that uncle did die on the 100th day. On the 100th day, he wasn't feeling well, the family took him to hospital, the hospital IVed him glucose. He died because of that, as it was found later that he wasn't feeling well due to undiagnosed high blood sugar and the glucose worsened that.

Hinduism has stories of sadhus giving blessings or curses with their words and what they say comes about.

We just said/thought somethings. Someone else did the work of implementing them. That's why i believe in existence of a supreme controller.

Also: Some people believe in manifestation. Some believe in law of karma. These things are not possible without a supreme controller implementing/managing them.

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That's exactly right.
:) Your posts in this forum helped shape the logic i've given in my original post of this thread.
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