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Old 13-12-2021, 07:56 AM
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Hi Hitesh.

In consideration of the last sentence of your post 8.

We may wonder how many of the concerns requiring action are/have been caused by our species behaving disharmoniously and in divisive manner regarding itself, other creatures, and the environment upon which all depend?

In addition:--

We may wonder, what are the chances of being able to take that necessary action if we do not now choose--even by so called Hobsons choice--to act and behave harmoniously recognising our dependence and interdependence as being not simply users and observers of existence, but as being inextricably of the process of existence?

Cheers.
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Old 13-12-2021, 01:28 PM
HITESH SHAH HITESH SHAH is offline
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concerns , options and ability

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We may wonder how many of the concerns requiring action are/have been caused by our species behaving disharmoniously and in divisive manner regarding itself, other creatures, and the environment upon which all depend?
Very difficult to tell
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We may wonder, what are the chances of being able to take that necessary action if we do not now choose--even by so called Hobsons choice--to act and behave harmoniously recognising our dependence and interdependence as being not simply users and observers of existence, but as being inextricably of the process of existence?
To act and behave harmoniously recognizing our dependence and interdependence as being not simply users and observers of existence, but as being inextricably of the process of existence - can be a prelude to any positive action . Such action can happen anytime ,anyplace and in varying magnitudes with varying successes.
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Old 13-12-2021, 08:54 PM
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Hi Hitesh.

From your post 12----"such action can happen anytime---"

Except if it is too late?.
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Old 14-12-2021, 04:14 PM
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Too late

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Hi Hitesh.

From your post 12----"such action can happen anytime---"

Except if it is too late?.
There is eternity to improve . Its never too late.
'Varying success will cover 0% success meaning total failure also.
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Old 19-12-2021, 10:56 PM
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Hello Hitesh.
Are you able to present an explanation of what "eternity" means to you please?

I do not ask the question as any sort of trick or trap. Cheers.
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Old 26-12-2021, 02:53 PM
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hello. question marks accompany much or all below.

What seems an "understanding" essential to sentient beings is the notion of cause and consequence.--We are unlikely to be either personally or collectively aware of the nature and mechanics of all possible causes nor of subsequent consequences--but learn through experience and knowledge, personal and shared, that there are causes which we can observe which lead to consequences which we can also observe. We are also able to learn, if we choose to do so, that we do and can play an active role in causes as well as experiencing directly or indirectly the consequences.--even as basic as deciding, for example, to move our foot to kick a football.(a basic but also amazing achievement for even the most able among us).

What seems essential in this relationship--as far as we understand it--is that in any particular functioning of the cause/consequence relationship is that cause precedes consequence in terms of what we call "time".

So, for ourselves, as sentient beings, having this understanding, "time" may be envisaged/imagined as a form of sequencing programme working as part of the mechanism of mind, personal mind memory, and logic, with the necessary details capable of being transferred to others by various means of communication.

The occasions when the mind mechanism does not require access to this sequencing programme may be rare.

We may imagine/experience such occasions as "timeless"moments--occasions when "time" is not required.

One such occasion may be if we should happen to be fully engaged in an activity in which "cause" is also "consequence".

I believe love to be such an activity, in that-- love loves to love.

Love, as consequence, may then of course motivate "us" to act and behave in a particular manner--a manner which itself has consequences.

I find this to be a great mystery!--A mystery with origins at "source", an indefinable to which all acts of love become instantly connected.

That would be my best effort to describe "eternity". Eternity as both cause and consequence, but not a reward as such.

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Old 30-12-2021, 04:55 AM
HITESH SHAH HITESH SHAH is offline
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eternnity

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Hello Hitesh.
Are you able to present an explanation of what "eternity" means to you please?

I do not ask the question as any sort of trick or trap. Cheers.

Hi weareunity ,
Eternity means many thing . From our individual standpoint time till our physical death is eternity for us . From reality perspective, it means time even after our death .

I do understand u are raising queries in good faith and appreciate that very much .
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Old 30-12-2021, 05:02 AM
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love

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One such occasion may be if we should happen to be fully engaged in an activity in which "cause" is also "consequence".

I believe love to be such an activity, in that-- love loves to love.

Love, as consequence, may then of course motivate "us" to act and behave in a particular manner--a manner which itself has consequences.

I find this to be a great mystery!--A mystery with origins at "source", an indefinable to which all acts of love become instantly connected.

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I find your perspective on love very interesting . Love can indeed be cause and effect . Treating true love as motivator, guide and initiator can indeed perpetuate love all the time all the place making it grand panacea .
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Old 05-01-2022, 05:25 AM
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hello Hitesh.

Adding to your post18.

If as a species we become able to discuss with each other concerning the mystery of love--for example--how some are fortunate to have benefited greatly from the provision of love whilst some suffer greatly as a result of being deprived of that provision--such discussion would be a worthwhile contribution toward harmony.
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Old 07-01-2022, 03:30 PM
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Love

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hello Hitesh.

Adding to your post18.

If as a species we become able to discuss with each other concerning the mystery of love--for example--how some are fortunate to have benefited greatly from the provision of love whilst some suffer greatly as a result of being deprived of that provision--such discussion would be a worthwhile contribution toward harmony.
That is great insight. People need to visualize it,appreciate it,practice it over long period to feel this axiom in real life.
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