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16-09-2020, 12:58 PM
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Crazy maya!!
The outer world around me routinely goes crazy. I expect one thing to happen and the complete opposite happens. Maya is not one who enjoys being understood or taken for granted. She dances a crazy dance and tends to run circles around me.
Is your physical life peaceful or is it crazy too?
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16-09-2020, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Honza
The outer world around me routinely goes crazy. I expect one thing to happen and the complete opposite happens. Maya is not one who enjoys being understood or taken for granted. She dances a crazy dance and tends to run circles around me.
Is your physical life peaceful or is it crazy too?
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A bit of both , otherwise it would get a little boring  |
19-09-2020, 01:27 AM
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It seems it's like that for everyone. Even the saints had crazy times in their lives. But that's why it's so important to exercise discrimination, to identify with the permanent over the impermanent.
It reminds me of how, sometimes, you see the gods praised with some variation of, "you are the boat which carries us over the difficult ocean of worldly existence." It's such an accurate metaphor, and you really do feel blessed when you experience it, that, just because the body suffers, it doesn't mean you have to suffer.
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18-11-2020, 03:25 PM
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Run for cover! Maya has gone ballistic.....
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19-11-2020, 09:23 AM
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Maya is just the mind with its strong desires in the form of cravings for pleasure and aversion for pain ,foolishly trying to seek permanent fulfilment in sensory pleasures from material objects, though they is of an impermanent nature.
When the mind is restrained and seeks the bliss and joy of the Self or awareness within, with determination and perseverance, Maya runs for cover.
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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19-11-2020, 10:51 AM
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AH! But, isn't it just fun when you realize what you're feeling, thinking,
expecting, and believing inside - reflects itself outside around you?
Now that's when life gets goooood!
The dream of maya starts to alter and shape shift for you.
Example: Think about, imagine, desire and expect (believe in) you will find
money. ( and I mean BILLS of money).
Have NO doubt. And watch what happens.
Place a 20 dollar bill and a 50 and a 100 - on the wall where you can smile at them often...
wink at them and imagine more will be coming to you.
(If I told you what has happened to me on many instances - you might
think I'm making it up.)
Ah, Maya - an extension of myself...what I believe!
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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21-11-2020, 11:28 AM
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I have given up trying to make sense/get to grips with Maya. Recently I made a concerted effort since I was exploring non dualism/Advaita Vedanta and this includes (their version of) maya.
I got exasperated on discovering the 7 great inconsistencies/objections to this maya so I gave up although, for those interested and may not know, there is a book that tackles these. John Grimes is said to correct all these arguments.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seven-Great.../dp/B012I61FA2
Maya originally is said to have denoted the magic power with which a god can make us believe in what turns out to be an illusion.
Non dualist's maya is the said to be the cosmic force that presents Brahman/God as the finite phenomenal world. Our real nature of self is said not to be ego but identical with Brahman.
Ultimately I don't find it beneficial to regard our world as an illusion - it's dismissive! Whilst we're here, alive, I prefer to interact in the world in a vital not reluctant or half hearted way, so if that's crazy....so be it!
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26-11-2020, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ameliorate
I have given up trying to make sense/get to grips with Maya. Recently I made a concerted effort since I was exploring non dualism/Advaita Vedanta and this includes (their version of) maya.
I got exasperated on discovering the 7 great inconsistencies/objections to this maya so I gave up although, for those interested and may not know, there is a book that tackles these. John Grimes is said to correct all these arguments.
Maya originally is said to have denoted the magic power with which a god can make us believe in what turns out to be an illusion.
Non dualist's maya is the said to be the cosmic force that presents Brahman/God as the finite phenomenal world. Our real nature of self is said not to be ego but identical with Brahman.
Ultimately I don't find it beneficial to regard our world as an illusion - it's dismissive! Whilst we're here, alive, I prefer to interact in the world in a vital not reluctant or half hearted way, so if that's crazy....so be it!
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Maya as "illusion" doesn't work for me either. Actually there seem to be various different versions of Advaita (and Maya), dependent on which teacher you favour. And then there is Neo-Advaita. So I'm sceptical when people make definitive statements, without the caveat of "according to in this teacher or that sub-school".
What I find more relevant are the various methods of practice you find.
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21-11-2020, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
AH! But, isn't it just fun when you realize what you're feeling, thinking,
expecting, and believing inside - reflects itself outside around you?
Now that's when life gets goooood!
The dream of maya starts to alter and shape shift for you.
Example: Think about, imagine, desire and expect (believe in) you will find
money. ( and I mean BILLS of money).
Have NO doubt. And watch what happens.
Place a 20 dollar bill and a 50 and a 100 - on the wall where you can smile at them often...
wink at them and imagine more will be coming to you.
(If I told you what has happened to me on many instances - you might
think I'm making it up.)
Ah, Maya - an extension of myself...what I believe!
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Hey! We prefer the same colour font Miss H!
Seriously though, harnessing the law of attraction is not the same thing as succumbing to the belief that our world is not real is it? I find maya puts a huge, unhelpful dampner on everything. We may contact our spirit/soul (e.g. via meditation) but, largely, this world is all we've got and I prefer to act as if it IS real since to believe it's an illusion is like living life through a smokescreen.
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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
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22-11-2020, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ameliorate
...since to believe it's an illusion is like living life through a smokescreen.
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Ha, that's funny, cuz I think the opposite; it's like living life with my eyes WIDE open!
In the Illusion ...the chair only looks like a chair and I know that I know what it really is ---like on the Holodeck.
The offense from another is like in a dream ---not real.
For me that's wonderful! The chair has a purpose - in this 3rd dimension it helps my body be comfortable ---
a body that isn't me...nutty, huh?
Reminiscent of The Matrix. I'm enjoying this steak, even tho I know it's not real. Rem that line?
The LOA goes hand in hand with this being a Dream ---and what we believe can manifest here...
Jesus showed the same lesson...
He knew (believed ) what water was...and showed us what was more real
than Physical Laws in this 3rd dimension.
To some the LOA is as weird as Jesus walking on water ---they don't believe either.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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