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Considerations 146
Im Right
When Im Wrong
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Taking it all a bit farther from the post on focal points
one of the prime detriments of our uncovering and understanding greater Truth is our demand that what we currently believe is correct
no matter what
our private declaration that we are expert in our stance
and this destroys our desire to grow in the facet of humility
which in our present society suggests a meekness or a shyness or a negative resignation
but in the end we learn that humility is our willingness to listen
not to shut the door
not to demand someone else is wrong because they are not using the words that *we* prefer to use in the way that *we* use them
not to allow for at least the very real possibility that we need to grow
forward
but to demand that we are right on the important points
and so
case closed.
Through the centuries of religious, metaphysical, and philosophical development
the vast, vast majority of words used to define this or that
to understand same
have been twisted and combined into supposedly meaning what they do not. Many times this is *not* done intentionally
but due to the minds preference to conjure, analyze, and speculate
mind tends to take off on tangents
on the maybe of anything and everything
and then continues to believe that these new explorations are indeed
beneficial facts upon which to base everything else.
Mind guesses
mind estimates
and then bases off the conjectures. It *loves* to do this and is its design. This leads to mind being only analytical
and locks one into this mental region by continuing in and with this approach. The human state of consciousness believes
deeply
that all can be understood by the intellectual processes. ( Once again I must make clear
this is a necessary aspect of the entire process and is *not* meant as a criticism. )
The difficulty lies in the mind is not a originator
but deals with what already is
the manifested outer experiences of the Lower Psychic Worlds
( again please remember that mind is outer to Soul Itself )
and the above points just makes all of this more
detrimental.
We are rewarded by our use of the intellect
right down to the old statement
knowledge is power. We *must* use the intellect to fulfill our responsibility I living within the societies we are born into. Spirituality is not a free ride
nor a welfare system
where all is provided without payment
but many, many times
payment is extracted in other ways besides coin.
Intellect is not the basis of overall life
but is a function of life in the Lower Psychic Worlds. Again
it is effect
and not cause. The intellect compares and studies the relationships of one thing to another
and rarely if ever determines
or even considers
the original starting point
the foundation
the generic view. For mind
theres no fun in doing that
the fun lies in the debate and juggling of what is to be accepted.
Life, societies, and cultures will continue as is in the Lower Psychic Worlds. It is for the individual to uncover this
and begin to live outside the traditional norms. The schoolroom is here to teach. Only an incredibly adventurous and risk-taking individual will wish to step beyond all of this
and usually quietly
on ones own
or society will launch an attack on anyone that tries to push the accepted stances.
Demanding that I am right and you all should listen to me
is a clear indication of a stance for safety and power. Many, many businesses and stances of authority make their money in just this way. Again
the schoolroom is here to teach. The old makes way for the new
when allowed. It is as old as time itself.
This is all necessary
and is one of the prime reasons for the design of these Lower Psychic Worlds
in that we must first learn what we are *not*
before we learn what we *are.* The lessons are thorough, exhaustive, and decisive. This is all slightly complicated in that Soul Itself
and therefore each individual human state of consciousness being an individual
all learn in a slightly different manner
all do not learn the same thing in the same way at the same time
all have varying strengths and weaknesses
all leading to the resulting variations in life here. We are *not* all equal
except for our very foundation as Soul Itself. Each brings along their individual baggage
and their individual karmic implications
and each will relate and interact to that from their own individual viewpoint of the moment
or the nowness of this present lifetime.
Having said the above
here is one of the prime enslavements that trap so many in the mental worlds
but I
as all of these posts
offer it as a consideration only. If someone wants to learn
they will listen. If its more important to maintain a stance
they wont. One of the biggest detriments is mental word play. Take word or concept
tweak it
apply it where it shouldnt be applied
tack on another facet to it
continue with the struggle until you are just exhausted trying to solve and resolve something that cannot be resolved because the parameters or the main points have been totally clouded. One of the prime examples of this is the whole duality / non-duality on-going debate. Duality and non-duality have nothing to do with separation or you-me or my consciousness verses your consciousness or anything close to the other wrestlings held by so many. All of that has to do with depth or degree of focus and your own discipline to hold or guide it. Duality verses no-duality equal the Lower Psychic Worlds verses the Pure God Worlds. Period. Plug more into it and you just complicate something that needs to keep simple.
As an example
lets get a debate going on 2+2=5
and then devise why thats possible with some obscure factors and just continue with it until we believe it.
Why engage in something like this
and yet
many, *many* of the current traditional teachings are simply variations of this.
No one
anywhere
said this stuff was easy. School is tough
especially a school that doesnt allow for unwarranted or unearned promotions. People dont skip grades and they arent just passed on to the next grade because
Nor are they advanced because of declaration. I made it
Im there
does not actualize the progress.
Mind is *that* good in deceiving Self. Be honest with yourself
take a step back and seek an overview
design some good probabilities
and give them a try. Experiment. Quietly and privately
but *live* your experiment as well as you can. See if it opens doors or closes them. See if it broadens or restricts your daily perceptions. Allow all of this to work *with* you and *for* you rather than against you.
More next Monday.
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A 90-post index is found at thread post number 368
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A second index for posts 92 - 120 is on page 50
post # 499
Both posts may move a bit due to welcomed moderator editing. They both will be in the vicinity of the above locations.
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I would venture an educated guess
that *at least* 50% of what is defined as this-or-that in the traditional teachings and certainly mainstream offerings
is misdefined by now. As if the mind does not have a difficult enough time on its own to process the varieties of information around us
this just severely compounds the entire perspective. One of the great suggestions offered when even just beginning to investigate the more advanced teachings is
forget all you know
start from scratch
start with the basics. That does *not* mean that you forget the fundamentals of living in these worlds. Not at all. It means
begin to *allow* yourself to highly re-structure the definitions you use to understand life around you. Many times
concepts and principles have been combined or over-analyzed and the words used can never be distinguished so you can understand what-is-what. A good example of this is the combining of consciousness and awareness and knowing. These are distinctly different
and to try and combine these or anything similar into one word and understand the greater perspective by using this combination word
leaves you hanging by something that cannot be resolved. This isnt easy
but when an individual tiptoes into this level of work
you usually have inner guidance
or
someone you can outwardly turn to to assist in all of this.
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Considerations 147
The Supreme Defense
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The entire intellectual approach to spirituality and to the greater understanding of life
has to end in the ultimate proclamation or defense or goal of
stopping thought
stopping mind. For centuries we have been led to believe that if something comes to an end
then we are automatically and mystically advanced to the next stage or level of understanding. Case in point
when we physically die
wherever we go for the afterlife
we will instantly attain all answers to all questions and all will become clear. Live this lifetime
become perplexed with many issues and questions
end this physical lifetime
and all answers are received. Now all we have to do is go find a cloud and a harp and kick back and practice our strumming techniques
for all eternity.
Um
no.
Nothing
on any level
comes automatically. All
is learned
however and to what degree the individual is willing and able to grasp and learn. Somewhat the same levels of ability are available on the inner dimensions or planes
we are familiar with our stance on each of these planes by our nightly or unconscious interactions with them on our own individual basis
and when we leave the physical body we tend to lift to the next level of life we are familiar with
most often our life within the astral planes
and we take up and continue our learning there.
My point being
just because we are taught to believe we are instantly promoted to a higher level of understanding by the leaving of our physical body
neither do we automatically advance to any higher level when we stop the mind. We gain a quietude
yes. It is a long-sought goal and we are blissful when we achieve it
yes. It is an important crossroads
yes.
But it automatically puts you nowhere further. There is no magic wand that takes you automatically from point A to point B without putting in the personal effort to learn how to get there first. Please remember
the entire path is set up to teach personal responsibility to do just this. We each have to learn
and to learn at great depth and personal expense. I didnt design this
and the best I can personally do is to let you know a bit more about it.
So once we enter the traditional intellectual teachings of mostly the East Indian approaches
ultimately
taking many lifetimes to set it all up
stopping the mind becomes a prime goal and this is the way we supposedly will uncover and learn all things
we will be in total consciousness
in purity
in the absolute
one with whatever
etc
automatically. Just stop the mind and were there. Again
I do not want to detract from this achievement. It is a colossal step.
But you do it once
or do it during one lifetime
and end the physical lifetime and then find yourself back here again
and take a bit of time before we remember that stopping the mind is the goal we wish to achieve and we do it successfully again
and then we find ourselves back here *again* and we remember a bit more quickly that this is what we wish to do
stop the mind
and we are again successful
and then we find ourselves back here AGAIN
and
etc times however many lifetimes it takes before we begin wonder
hmmm
is there something beyond all of this stopping the mind business?
This
is the the real adventure begins. This
is when you find yourself crawling out there on a limb
and to mind
it is incredibly scary. Mind wants the solidarity of either / or
of definition
of familiar thought and sets of teachings. You get out there on a limb and you dont have many alongside. On the face of this planet there are a relative handful that have been out there far enough to begin to make sense of it. These are not the well-known and popular studies.
One thing you learn about LIFE
LIFE doesnt really care how long it takes you learn
whatever. Take a couple of million lifetimes if you wish. Its no loss to LIFE
and
if you are learning
then its no real loss to you either.
Slowing and stopping mind is all a matter of focus and discipline
the type of discipline we are least interested in practicing. It is often a slow process and is often not completed in a single lifetimes unless one has had previous experience and practice in slowing and stopping the mind and is just continuing previous capabilities in this current lifetime. Many lifetimes are spent debating just the necessity of learning to do this
more is spent on sidestepping the final practice of slowing and stopping the mind by trying to convince ourselves that it is unnecessary because mind doesnt matter or that this mind isnt really our own or is us
and other similar dance steps
all to put off a final discipline of our own mental preoccupations and general use of mind itself.
Once again I am saying here
these and other mental problems are NOT the fault of mind itself
but of the severe lack of discipline of our own mental perspectives
mis-definition being a part of it all
over-analysis another
and mind can be an incredibly beneficial and useful tool if and when used for the purposes intended before the human state of consciousness is ambushed and kidnapped by the glitter and games of the Lower Psychic Worlds
all developed through the use of often the same ploys but simply displayed or put upon the individual in subtle and slightly different ways
making each experience to seem new and different when in fact
it is the same cone run with a different face.
Anyone can carry their preferences
( call it ego or individual personality or self if you wish )
into a silent and lapsed mind for a few moments or a few hours
and when you return
those issues have gone nowhere else but right where theyve been for decades
if not lifetimes.
The prime reason for this entire schoolroom scenario is for us
Soul Itself
to learn. Learning does not take place if freely given to you. Has one taken the responsibility for the learning of it? Has one earned the right to the advanced knowledge? Has one learned the preliminaries that would assist in incorporating this new knowledge into a viable lifestyle?
If you are in a room and youve got a fan blowing on you and you feel the breeze
just as you sense the rush of thoughts pouring into your consciousness from all around you
if you snap off the fan
this does *not* vault you out of the room
nor does stopping the mind erase, extinguish, change, or negate the issues that just lie in wait until you return to daily conscious activities.
More next Monday.
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A 90-post index is found at thread post number 368
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A second index for posts 92 - 120 is on page 50
post # 499
Both posts may move a bit due to welcomed moderator editing. They both will be in the vicinity of the above locations.
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Many believe that “mind” is some kind of “creature” with a will of its own … but that is simply part of the “illusion” of these Lower Psychic Worlds. Habits and patterns can be started lifetimes ago … and often are … the “focal point” of the pattern long forgotten and changes with each new lifetime. This is where the “attitude towards” comes into play … or … memories of actual events.
Even a simple scan of history shows horrific events of war, disease, poverty, slavery, servitude, and abandonment leave deep scars on us all. So many of our memorable patterns come during incredibly frightening happenings.
Put an experience together with the emotion of fear … and that pattern will take on all kinds of tangents as one moves from one lifetime to another. All of this is just a surface explanation. “Stopping the individual mind” does nothing to ease the suffering.
Time certainly softens it … but inner and release work is often necessary. Dreams often reveal some of the past life events.
An obvious answer is to maintain a lifestyle of dignity and integrity so as to take on no new karmic implications as one works to let go of the past … known or unknown.
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Whoa, that was some explanation! I wish I had said that!
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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Thanks.
I often watch a movie or two during the evening hours and spot all kinds of actions / reactions that I wonder
do people know how much they are reacting to past life experiences?
Probably not.
Conventional scientific, metaphysical, and medical teachings try to gloss over it all by something happened in your childhood. That is rarely the case.
But to escape the current reactions of these patterns
stopping the mind is of little to no help. Some of the patterns will be with us on a lesser sale for a long, long time. We just need to recognize that this is happening and control it as best we can. If one ever acts totally out of character to a current situation
you can bet that its a past life reaction.
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*If one ever acts totally out of character to a current situation
you can bet that its a past life reaction.*
Or a necessary means towards advancement.
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Hazada
Perhaps I should have more accurately said
If one ever RE-acts out of character
The reaction must come from some previous experience
and if it doesnt seem to fit the character of the person
it can certainly come from other approaches
but from that of a past life should not be dismissed.
Im not talking about situations where you sit down and ponder. Its a very small point anyway.
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 Lol,I know what you mean zorkchop. It was just a way of telling you that I am still following your posts every week and they are proving very helpful to me.
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Considerations 148
Using the Tool
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Those of you who have fought through these 140+ posts should be suspecting by now that it is NOT mind that is the culprit
it is NOT mind in and of itself
but it is how we use this tool that makes the difference
and not only how we use it
but how we use it towards what end. The top end of the entire multi-layered Lower Psychic Worlds is the Universal Mind. Mind
makes these worlds
but its all determined by how we use mind. It is not thought that is the culprit
but how we use thought. Where
and on what
do we focus ? Where does our attention lie
and for how long can we hold our attention on any singular area or concept ?
Soul Itself can use words to determine Its viewpoint. It is not *the* primary way Soul uses to hold to Its perceptions
but it is a viable choice when needed. The concept of I am
is completed by your choice of words. In the Lower Psychic Worlds
these words are dictated by personal pattern and habit. When Soul Itself learns to step beyond mind
Soul learns just what a tool mind is
but the word thoughts can be quite useful used only when necessary
and words can be used as a determinant of direction / depth itself. Since Soul Itself is little more than a singular point of awareness in the huge sea of consciousness
it becomes vital in just what words are used for determination of anything.
Words are the greatest of architectures. We know that the Universal Mind or thought has for its goal the creation of form and we know that the individual thought is likewise forever attempting to express itself in form. We know that the word is a thought-form, and a sentence is a combination of thought-forms
therefore
if we wish our ideal to be beautiful or strong, we must see that the words out of which this focus will eventually be created are exact, that they are put together carefully
because accuracy in building words and sentences is the highest design of framework in civilization and is a passport to success and our well-being.
The learning of all of this is up to each individual. It is a ruthless design
unforgiving
for its design is for our own learning processes. The entire skeleton of cause and effect
the backbone of karma
gives us opportunities to face, deal with, and lay to rest
or
accumulate anew
all that is necessary for each of us to learn at a level that we do not even know exists in the formative lifetimes. And *so* much of this is determined by
words
and more specifically
our inner words we constantly and continuously tell ourselves.
Mental chattering
especially unfocused mental chattering
does no one any good
and indeed
we lose ground because of it
or more appropriately
we get bogged down in the clutter. Our attention is endlessly pulled in multiple directions
and focus is lost. Focused attention is key to inner peace and contentment
and we must gain control over the mental aspects of this
our patterns and habits that design our perception of what is happening around us
and why it is so
before we can step beyond the mental worlds and begin to live from the greater levels of consciousness. An undisciplined mind loves the chatter.
So again
it is not mental words themselves that is the culprit here
but which words we use to define or understand life as we perceive it. If we are in the 5th grade and focus only on 5th grade curriculum
then we will stay in the 5th grade. There is no automatic launch or passing into the next grade no matter how much we demand that this is so. You will advance
when you have learned.
The traditions and conventions dictate what is taught in the various levels. The accepted levels and approaches of medicine, philosophy, metaphysics, and religions
eastern and western
hold to strict parameters and teach little beyond these limits. Most have been in place for centuries
perhaps with a new name
but with little variation. As long as these fulfill us
all is well. For the vast, vast majority of those living within the entirety of the Lower Psychic Worlds
this holds true. We are here
because we prefer to be
maybe not because we like it
but it is familiar
and we will continue because we have little idea where else to go.
Since all of existence is based in sound and light
how many have considered that mental, internal words
are sound? Do you not inwardly hear these words as they pour through your awareness? Have you considered
that by using mental “sounds
you are using a basic building block of LIFE itself?
Words
matter
patterned or habitual
or otherwise.
So
now what? Are you supposed to strictly lock into a word or a phrase
repeating it over and over again zombie-fashion
like prayer-bead recitation?
No.
Take 15 to 20 minutes a day
morning or evening
whenever you can habitually take the same time every day
( this is when you let habit work *for* you )
lie back or sit comfortably
focus inwardly
become IN-volved
and breathe the concept or the higher level you wish to be
focus on it
play with it
pretend this is what you already are
dream yourself successfully being in such-and-such a way
ideally a more capable competent being
find the feeling of it
find the life of it
take it into yourself and let it live. Give birth to it. Magically accept it. Dont do this by being *against* something
do it by being *for* something
or some concept
or some understanding. Set logic aside
and just be there
now.
Many get confused in there being so many options available for any approach. Approach all you can as you would in battling the Hydra
the many-headed beast that if you cut one head off
two more grow in its place. Do your best to not battle the heads. Dont battle the specifics. Look at any number of options to the same concept and find the underlying common thread that lies beneath all of them. Find that foundation that holds true before over-analyzed specifics complicate it. A common example
say you have personal issues with Jack
and Mary
and Judy
and Adam
and Mom
and older sister
etc. If you back up and uncover the common thread
you may find that it is the issue of tolerance
or patience
or whatever
that is at the heart of them all. Build up the abstract of this
and it applies to all
at the same time. Become adept at offering patience to all
rather than trying to apply it first to Jack
and then to Mary
etc. Develop the unapplied feature
and then apply it specifically later
when needed.
Im not saying this is easy. This takes time
and discipline. You *will* learn how to do this sometime
in some lifetime. Become an inner detective. Sleuth it out. No one has to know.
More next Monday.
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A 90-post index is found at thread post number 368
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A second index for posts 92 - 120 is on page 50
post # 499
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