The Ender's Game Series, existence, reincarnation - Page 2

#11 08-02-2011, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nalan

So you're saying that Ender or anyone, really, chooses their existence before entering it? And therefore by choosing our existence, we are agreeing to the manipulation/influences we endure in that life?

I can agree with that. From my understanding, our lives serve different purposes in our overall growth as spiritual beings, meaning we choose to face particular circumstances. In that explanation, okay, life is more than being manipulated.

Fate is absolute, and luck is questionable. Luck gives us the illusion of choice within our predetermined pattern.

#12 08-02-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nalan

So you're saying that Ender or anyone, really, chooses their existence before entering it? And therefore by choosing our existence, we are agreeing to the manipulation/influences we endure in that life?

Yes and yes.. (ender always had a choice.. he didn't have to play those wargames.. he chose too)

There are experiences you can have on the planet right now.. where your locked up against your will, or kidnapped against your will.. but these are actually choices.. (it is the illusion of lack that we call them.. manipulation, against our will or even wrong) It would be clearer to say while you may have these experiences lined up in vibrational "escrow" prior to incarnating.. another reason why you can get "kidnapped" is because that's part of the rules to the labyrinth.. the allowing of that experience is part of the rules!

Also from my understanding/awareness.. it may be possible to play the character of "Ender" in the way the game was designed.. and then to merge that experience/awareness with your current one.. or even to play the game from your current awareness.. and kind of like "hey, you.. you were written to be the bad guy.. well, forget it I won't be manipulated and take the story in a entirely new direction"

Sammy · #13 09-02-2011, 01:13 AM

Yes ender was highly manipulated and from every side "including his parents". Even bean had his manipulating of ender. Letting him grow into the knowledge he could do it wasnt going to kill the buggers before they killed them. He had to prove to himself they didnt know the answer before he found what that answer was. They do touch on this subject alot in the later books.

Regardless of how it could of been we do what we have done for the reasons at the time, and would do that again in the same knowledge. As that was the best solution to us with what we knew.

#14 10-02-2011, 01:37 AM

Why must we live in a world of manipulation? Better said, why do I live in a world of manipulation? Do you know how many times I've gotten into trouble for saying things how they are? I got dragged into my boss's office, and she told me that I need to learn how to, "Play the game." BLEAH!

Perhaps this is my life choice. Maybe that's why Ender and his ordeal resonate so strongly with me.

#15 10-02-2011, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nalan

Why must we live in a world of manipulation? Better said, why do I live in a world of manipulation? Do you know how many times I've gotten into trouble for saying things how they are? I got dragged into my boss's office, and she told me that I need to learn how to, "Play the game." BLEAH!

Perhaps this is my life choice. Maybe that's why Ender and his ordeal resonate so strongly with me.

It's just a game.. be easy on yourself.. this is the lifetime where we create heaven on earth.. so just have fun, speak your truth.. and ignore those playing the game

#16 10-02-2011, 02:29 AM

If I could ignore those playing the game, then I wouldn't interact with 90% of the people I encounter.

#17 10-02-2011, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nalan

If I could ignore those playing the game, then I wouldn't interact with 90% of the people I encounter.

Have you ever heard the phrase?

"To be in the world, but not off the world"

Sammy · #18 10-02-2011, 04:05 AM

Ender was nescicery for the advancement of humanity, he hated it but he knew he did what he wanted (whether he chose it or not). He deffinately knew the game. Ender was supressed and an outsider the whole time, and he earned his leave of Earth's ****. and whent to his permanent retirement outside of any of that life (not that he escaped it). We all have our place, beleiving you control it will show you how you realy do. You chosoe the path, you dont get to choose the rocks. ;)

#19 10-02-2011, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy

Ender was nescicery for the advancement of humanity, he hated it but he knew he did what he wanted (whether he chose it or not). He deffinately knew the game. Ender was supressed and an outsider the whole time, and he earned his leave of Earth's ****. and whent to his permanent retirement outside of any of that life (not that he escaped it). We all have our place, beleiving you control it will show you how you realy do. You chosoe the path, you dont get to choose the rocks. ;)

It seems I have been nothing more then the village idiot. Its not fun having rocks thrown at you from all directions. My path has already been chosen from the beginning.

Sammy · #20 10-02-2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeliar791

It seems I have been nothing more then the village idiot. Its not fun having rocks thrown at you from all directions. My path has already been chosen from the beginning.

I agree its not fun. No one is making you stay however, and this was your choice. Maybe invest in a shield?