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Old 09-09-2020, 05:01 AM
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On the other hand maybe the powers that be are so far beyond us we are all dreaming that some how we are it.

In love with out own lights?

In fact perhaps, we are nothing compared to that, however, that allows us to be.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:02 PM
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On the other hand maybe the powers that be are so far beyond us we are all dreaming that some how we are it.
Hey nice new avatar! Long time no see. xo

Or dreaming that we are NOT It, my friend. Lol.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:40 PM
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Duality and NON-Duality are only concepts within Duality.
If there is a duality, then there can't be non-duality. "Non-duality in a bubble", or "non-duality in its borders", aren't non-dualities per se.
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Old 09-09-2020, 09:49 PM
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Hey nice new avatar! Long time no see. xo

Or dreaming that we are NOT It, my friend. Lol.

Thanks Miss Hepburn.

It or not it, the dream continues..
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Old 10-09-2020, 03:52 AM
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Look

I just came out from the egg

And I know that the egg was my beginning.

The rest is pivoting on the edge of something

Amazing

The egg hatched.
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Old 10-09-2020, 06:43 AM
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If there is a duality, then there can't be non-duality. "Non-duality in a bubble", or "non-duality in its borders", aren't non-dualities per se.
Yes, there is what there is, I don't know what to call that which is, I use to, but I gave that up, then why am I here ? I don't know.
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Old 22-09-2020, 09:08 AM
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Hey everyone,
I had one of those rare insights that truly resonated with me. It may be shocking for some.

Duality and NON-Duality is just another duality.
Yessirreee, indeedy. And you can't resolve non-duality using duality. Binary thinkers can't get past that one.

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What are you thoughts about it :) ?
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From my perspective, I love to think intro trinities. In a relationship there is the male and female and the relationship. So it's a threesome trinity. There was and will never be a duality and only the limited physical mind creates the dualities and even non-dualities.
The pre-Taoist alchemists called it Triplex Unity where there is 'this' there is 'that' and there is 'both'. The Vesica Pisces of ancient Sacred Geometry provides the understanding, where duality is in relation to - not conflict/opposition - non-duality - because one can't exist without the other. That's what non-dualists don't understand. There is 'this'/duality, there is 'that'/non-duality and there is 'both', where the understandings of the reasons both exist make a lot of sense. This is what's missing in the duality/non-duality debate.
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Old 22-09-2020, 02:19 PM
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Hey everyone,
I had one of those rare insights that truly resonated with me. It may be shocking for some.

Duality and NON-Duality is just another duality.

What are you thoughts about it :) ?

Hi Dominik90

Firstly itís important to understand (and so many here repeatedly fail to do this) that non-duality is not a claim of no dualism. Apparent relative dualisms of up and down, hot and cold, in and out etc. clearly have an ontology. No credible speaker of non-duality denies them.

What non-duality is pointing to is that Reality is ultimately One without a second - it is not-two. But it acknowledges that the One (or the not-two) appears, manifests, expressesÖ as the complexity, variation, individuation and multiplicity that we see around us.

Thatís it! Thatís the simplistic take for those who have no real affinity with the subject (thereís a bit more nuance than this involved.)

So within this dance of apparent multiplicity the philosophical concepts of duality and non-duality also clearly have an ontology - as concepts.

So the words form a pair of opposites. But that which the word non-duality attempts to convey knows no opposite (remember, itís One without a second.)

If an opposite were to be conceived of or imagined - IT would be that too.
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Old 22-09-2020, 03:14 PM
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What non-duality is pointing to is that Reality is ultimately One without a second - it is not-two.


Moondance, that depends on how we define reality { Observed Time }.

Ex I define reality as the physical occupied space of fermionic matter and bosonic forces that humans have quantise and quantified.


Humnas have not the quantised nor quantified occupied Space Gravity ( ) or it diametric opposite Dark Energy )( and that is why I place them in a catagory outside of aka beyond ergo Metaphysical-3 and 4 respectively.


However, they are all a part of the one { Uni } Universe aka Uni-V-erse.


'Uni' being representative of Gravity,

V beeing representative of Observed Time ( quanfied and quantised } physcical reality

erse being representative of Dark Energy

That all stated and clarified, we need to go further and catagorize what is outside of ergo beyond { Meta } the finite, occupied Space Universe. The obvious duality to occupied Space is non-occupied Space and that non-occupied Space { Metaphysical-2 } is macro-micro-infinite.

Ergo the first primary duality is that of occupied and non-occupied Space.

The other duality --primary trinality-- is that of including Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.

There is no discrepancy or contradictions in any of the Cosmic Trinity Outline Ive laid out clearly for some years now, in various forums or groups.

A rare few have tried to find some discrepancy or invalidity but they have not. And none have attempted to add to my outline/list. That is because, teh more we refine truth, the harder it becomes to find higher degrees of refinment. At best all we can do is further I subcatagorizations of the Cosmic Trinity, but even there, there is a finite limit to what exists.

Finite = wholistic integrity

Infinte = lack of integrity and wholism
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Old 22-09-2020, 10:07 PM
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Hello all.
Contemplating the idea that "all" has perhaps infinite components, but "all" as a concept can only be singular.

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