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18-07-2021, 03:15 PM
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Thank you for your response, David Henson !
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20-07-2021, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
As we talk about Jesus' pre-human existence, we will probably talk about incarnation vs re-incarnation, especially as it applies to Jesus.
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When you say Jesus, you mean Christ, right? There was only one Jesus.
IMO each human is a unique organism. It is not the human that incarnates, it is the soul.
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20-07-2021, 09:02 AM
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Yes, the one called Jesus, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, etc. in the Bible.
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20-07-2021, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidHenson
Not sure what connection you specifically mean. Michael and Gabriel were both angels.
Mention of Gabriel in the Hebrew Scripture. Daniel 8:15-26; 9:20-27
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Actually I meant Michael, the Archangel.
As some have made connection regarding the Book of Daniel.
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Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
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20-07-2021, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Yes, the one called Jesus, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, etc. in the Bible.
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Jesus and Christ are not the same. Jesus was a man. Christ has multiple meanings. |
24-07-2021, 05:57 PM
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Mark 1:1 from the King James Bible reads: "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;" is the way I was using the expression I mentioned in post #83.
Phillipians 2:5 uses the expression "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,".........
To me, Jesus, and Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus as used above, are referring to the same person. That is all I was trying to say.........
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15-08-2021, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Did not Jesus incarnate into the physical in the first century?
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......... and we thought this was only reserved for Hindu deities.
At least he did not incarnate as a turtle, fish, half lion/half man, etc.......
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15-08-2021, 04:28 AM
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Did not Jesus incarnate into the physical in the first century?
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Mary or Joseph gave him that name so whatever or whoever he was before he entered that body was not named Jesus. |
15-08-2021, 06:44 AM
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As I see it, every particular contains the universal.
Jesus (particular) was Christ (universal)
The fly in the ointment is insisting that Jesus had a unique uniqueness, that he was a particular particular somehow necessary in and of himself for salvation, an "only way".
Thus, Inquisitions and the rack!
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15-08-2021, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cobbler's Apprentice
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The fly in the ointment is insisting that Jesus had a unique uniqueness, that he was a particular particular somehow necessary in and of himself for salvation, an "only way".
Thus, Inquisitions and the rack!
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Where do you get "Inquisitions and the rack" from?
How many other incarnations have any of us had?
As far as I know........ none.
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