🤓YAHWEH & ELOHIM🤓

[BigJohn]

As I have mentioned numerous times in the past, the parts of the Pentatuch that uses Yahweh: the followers of Yahweh's definetly resonates with Monotheism. Whereas the followers of Elohim, seem to believe almost everything is Elohim and seem to resonate with Polytheism.

[The Cobbler's Apprentice]

Originally Posted by Molearner

A little bit of knowledge is dangerous…..

For me it is more a "mystery"......what does anyone do with the knowledge they have, little or large?

All the mysterious stuff about "many are called but few are chosen".

It can seem simple. Confucius said:- To know what you know and what you do not know, that is true knowledge.

But that is anything but simple.

[sky]

Humans can't conceive anything without a Name and Form hence the different 'Names' of who they percieve as God.

[sky]

Originally Posted by The Cobbler's Apprentice

Merton then mused onwards, and related it all to the ultimate "Nameless One"........

When the 'Name' has been forgotten, the 'One' remains

[The Cobbler's Apprentice]

Originally Posted by sky123

Humans can't conceive anything without a Name and Form hence the different 'Names' of who they percieve as God.

Yes, reality must be "empty" to be "all things". "Benign" diversification follows after touching/knowing/realising "base". The "appropriate statement". Diversification before touching base and as I said before somewhere, all hell breaks loose.

A simple tangible example. Seeing another human being, knowing we are "one".......then we can recognise a different colour or whatever without hell breaking loose.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Yahweh, unfortunately got translated for the most part as LORD whereas Elohim is generally translated as God. By the way, in Hebrew, these words are pronounced very closely to that of Yahweh and Elohim.

Genesis is mostly a re-write of the Tales of Gilgamesh, that's where much of the confusion arises from. The Elohim were the Shining Ones (plural) - the root word 'El' means Shining One, as does the Sanskrit div/dev. It's where the word ang-el comes from, and the names of the archangels. They were also known to some 495 other cultures across geography and history. The Mayans knew them as the Virachochas - which means 'Golden Ones' and in Irish mythology they are known as the Tautha de Danaan of the Children of Diana.

Elohim and Yahweh originated in Sumer, they are not of Hebrew origin.

Abraham was born and lived in Sumer, and was living with his family in Herron until Marduk moved there. Abrahm's (his real name) Lord was Marduk aka Yahweh and in those days, their Lords had the power of life and death over the people and were worshipped as Gods. Both the Sumerian Elohim and the Devis/Devas of the Indus Valley were worshipped either as lords/gods or Spiritual beings.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

The first creation account explicitly speaks of Elohim. In the second creation account, Yahweh is introduced.

In Sumerian mythology the Elohim/Shining Ones created man. In the pre-Abrahmic Bible God is Enlil and Enki is Satan (actually Satam or administrator). Enlil didn't want man - the Adamu - to become sentient and metaphorically eat from the tree of knowledge, which is Pagan symbolism. He also created the flood to wipe them out. Enki as Satam was rebellious and told Eve to eat the apple, as it become sentient/aware/conscious, and told Noah to build the ark.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

I suspect the reason why some criticize the two creation accounts, is, as I suspect, where written by two different groups.

The Christians plagiarised their account.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

The same can be said of the two different flood accounts.

Noah's flood was actually an account of what is known as the Younger Dryas, and apparently both the geological records and Biblical accounts coincide time-ways. The Mayans also have an account, and it differs only in context. The Younger Dryas was a mini-ice age that began some 13,000 years ago and lasted about 1,300 years, in geological terms the ice melted overnight and flooded huge tracts of land globally, as the sea levels rose very dramatically.

The only difference between the Sumerian account of the flood and the Bible is the dimensions of the ark itself, but I'd guess there was some esoteric numerology at play there.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Whereas the followers of Elohim, seem to believe almost everything is Elohim and seem to resonate with Polytheism.

The Elohim were not Gods in the context we put God into, the Elohim were a group of actual, living beings but they were worshipped as Gods. That's the understanding. Monotheism originated with Abrahm/Abraham and was most likely consolidated by Zarathustra and the Persians annexing the area as part of the empire.

[DavidHenson]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

As I have mentioned numerous times in the past, the parts of the Pentatuch that uses Yahweh: the followers of Yahweh's definetly resonates with Monotheism. Whereas the followers of Elohim, seem to believe almost everything is Elohim and seem to resonate with Polytheism.

There are three problems there.

1. There is no part of the Pentateuch that doesn't use the Name Yahweh.

2. The term followers of Elohim is a misnomer because it could apply to any of the gods of the Bible.

3. All of the writers of the Bible were henotheistic.

[DavidHenson]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

As for Elohim, if you look at all the definitions of Elohim, it starts to approach inclusiveness.

What definitions are those and how do they approach inclusiveness?

Hello,

For those who it may interest, I have just posted a post on YHWH Elohim, which is Binah in the world of Fire in the Tree of Life.

https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...&postcount=187

Regards,

[sky]

Thanks Greenslade, very interesting. Genesis as being copied from previous belief systems will always be rather confusing.