killing wildlife

[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by LPC

Dear Primrose, you have nothing to apologise for. You started a thread out of genuine concern about animal welfare. You deserve nothing but credit for that. Your thread has, sadly, been thrown off course to a discussion about hunting generally. That was not your intention.

No wonder when the thread started with one sentence that wasn't even clear for the exact reason why the deer should be hunted. There is more going on if people ask for a deer cull than just eating the flowers ie. the deer are close to civilization.

Originally Posted by LPC

Unfortunately, this section of the forum has been invaded by some people who seem only to want to argue and have little interest in animals or their welfare. They will probably eventually get bored with arguing and go elsewhere. Perhaps it's time to post some more threads with pictures of cute animals...!

I take this as a offense directed at me, and others who are posting in this thread not sharing your views. Who here has little interest in animals and their welfare? If you took close attention for a change you'd realize I and others favor sustainable hunting with a regard for the different parties involved. Lastly you have no right to tell us with such a condescending tone what is and isn't allowed in a forum where animals are the subject. We are talking about animals here, and indeed this thread has evolved but that's in part the responsibility of a thread starter who in this case provided no further information in the opening post, hence we speculate and the discussion evolves.

Apparently if you have anything other than an extreme "love and light" view of nature and animals, you have no interest in animals or their welfare. As someone with a background in natural resource management, I confess I find that kind of viewpoint... distressing. I sympathize with it, but it bothers me when people fail to understand management tools because it involves something that seems icky to them or destructive. This ignorance can sometimes have disastrous consequences, but those are probably stories for another time. It suffices to say that people sometimes shoot themselves in the foot with their own good intentions.

Originally Posted by primrose

i'm sorry, when I started this thread I did'nt mean to start any arguments. We all have our points of view. None of us can change anothers mind. I was just saying how I felt.

What arguments ? People just chewing the fat, ooops ! I mean tofu snacks.

[knightofalbion]

[quote=Wisa'ka][quote=knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Wisa'ka

Yeah it seems perfectly alright to make post after post cutting down another culture, but once someone arrives on the scene to stand up for that culture and those beliefs, all of a sudden words concerning disrespect and breaking rules comes into play.



You can count. Yay !

So put up a sign that says NDNs, or any other sub-human savages are not allowed.

And by the way, Knight, I read both topic and thread. Some of us savages can write, count and have free thought as well.

Has the moderator not just given an explicit warning against mockery?

I'm not going to respond. I don't need to anyway, you are the only one who is demeaned by such behaviour.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by primrose

i'm sorry, when I started this thread I did'nt mean to start any arguments. We all have our points of view. None of us can change anothers mind. I was just saying how I felt.

Don't you worry, dear Primrose. You've done nothing wrong and you had a perfect right to raise the issue.
Bless you for caring.

Incidentally, hanging up a strongly scented bar of soap is supposed to deter deer. Not sure why it works, but apparently it does. Try doing a Google search for fuller information.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by glenos

Why Chrysaetos actually comes to a forum that's called 'Spiritual Forums' is a bit of a mystery to me as I haven't seen one spiritually inspired post from him especially when it comes to animals and even more so when Chrysaetos means 'eagle'.

There are people here who see as we see and there are those who don't.
That in itself is not a bad thing, far from it, because through association and exposure to a higher thinking/teaching, eventually their eyes will be opened. After all, how else will it happen?

The seed of Truth will not perish because it is the Truth! And whilst it may not take root today, tomorrow or next week, maybe not even in this lifetime - but at some point in the future it will....

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by glenos

Why Chrysaetos actually comes to a forum that's called 'Spiritual Forums' is a bit of a mystery to me as I haven't seen one spiritually inspired post from him especially when it comes to animals and even more so when Chrysaetos means 'eagle'.

I must confess I've often thought the same thing myself, but never thought it relevant or seemly to mention it.
You obviously do have a spiritual faith or you'd not be on a spiritual forum! Maybe it would be a good idea if you were to tell people what faith it is you follow then at least people might understand where you coming from a little better.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

1) No wonder when the thread started with one sentence that wasn't even clear for the exact reason why the deer should be hunted. There is more going on if people ask for a deer cull than just eating the flowers ie. the deer are close to civilization.

2) I take this as a offense directed at me, and others who are posting in this thread not sharing your views. Who here has little interest in animals and their welfare? If you took close attention for a change you'd realize I and others favor sustainable hunting with a regard for the different parties involved. Lastly you have no right to tell us with such a condescending tone what is and isn't allowed in a forum where animals are the subject. We are talking about animals here, and indeed this thread has evolved but that's in part the responsibility of a thread starter who in this case provided no further information in the opening post, hence we speculate and the discussion evolves.

1) I'd say the OP was perfectly clear. People wanted to kill deer because they'd be eating their flowers. And Primrose was upset at this prospect.

To my mind, this quite clearly invited suggestions people could try to deter deer from their properties without the need for killing/violence.

2) LPC said, the gist of it, that someone was invading the 'Animal' section just to cause arguments. He mentioned no name. You however volunteered yourself as the one in question! Why put your hand up for something you say you haven't done? That makes no sense.

He has a point though. Every time there is an animal or compassionate thread, every single time, you turn up and post contrary and often provocative posts, that you know full well are going to flame up discord. Yet you still do it.
'Freedom of speech' I hear you say. Yes, the same freedom of speech LPC and Glenos have to express their opinions.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by LPC

Chrysaetos, I think that this last comment shows your true colours: an intense dislike of vegetarians and vegans. I wanted to understand why you have this attitude, but your profile gave no clues. I therefore looked through your past posts, trying to find something positive, loving, caring somewhere. I did not find one post expressing sympathy for someone, concern for their welfare, love for others.

Do you really care about animals? If so, where is the evidence? Or do you just like to argue with those who do love them?

This section of the forum used to a haven of love and compassion, and now it has become argumentative and negative. This makes me profoundly sad.

Since you seem to have little genuine interest in animals, why not spend more time on the "Strong Opinions and Discussions" section?

Chrysaetos: Peter (LPC) is one of the most good-hearted people on the forum. In fact I'd say he stands head and shoulders above most people here, myself included.

As I said to Glenos the presence of others of a different persuasion is not a bad thing in itself. But there is a fine line between debate and disruption. Peter obviously thinks you've crossed that line. That's his personal opinion.

Peter says he has looked through your posts and not found one thing that is loving or caring, or expresses sympathy for another. You've taken that as a gross insult.
Maybe Peter is right, or maybe he wasn't looking hard enough...
If the latter, he has done you an injustice and you've every right to be angry.

It seems to me that the perfect solution is for you to highlight, say, three posts (any of the 2,000+ posts you've made will do) that do reflect your loving, caring side and prove Peter wrong.
And then lets draw a line under it.

I would very much like to hope that we can all get along in a friendly manner, even if we do disagree on various points.

[quote=knightofalbion][quote=Wisa'ka]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

you are the only one who is demeaned by such behaviour.

Are you speaking on behalf of a group, or is this just a personal opinion ? I mock no one, but if you perceive the truth as mockery, then that's your own little pet fuzzy.

With regulated hunting and other forms of conservation here in this land, there is still vast tracts of wilderness and plenty of wildlife. More so than your land I suspect. Tell me Knight, do deer graze in your front yard at night, or do bear, raccoon and possum come to your back porch and eat catfood out of a bowl ? How can one even understand or appreciate wildlife with none around ?