Your truth .. My truth .. One Truth?

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

I don't think it is possible to question ourselves and explore what you call self deception. In fact I don't think there is such a thing as self deception.
I think as life unfolds we sometimes see things in a new way and this pushes the old ways aside. They are not 'our' old ways.
Just sharing.................

If we were deceiving ourselves.........we would never see it.

gee ... i've caught myself lying to myself many times therefore every concept i conjure is suspect. there's self serving and then there's Self serving, if ya get my drift.

it would be a self deception to believe i can't deceive myself. lol if i believed i couldn't deceive myself i surely wouldn't be able to see myself being self deceiving. such a belief would inhibit self honest discovery.

[sound]

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

If we were deceiving ourselves.........we would never see it.

I agree with this in essence WS ... it sounds like a play on words at first however 'tis true ... there is an aspect of our 'self' that knows the **** from the clay every time ... and i will venture to say we even know its all clay at the end of the day lol

[Gem]

Originally Posted by sound

Does that illustrate that we need beliefs Gem ... we hold onto beliefs as truths because there is no other information available at the time ... in other words, the truth has not been revealed ... people often talk about not holding any beliefs ... do they simply believe that is so? Can we 'not' believe?

Seeing is believing I always say, Like I do believe I'm typing away, and you believe there are words appearing on the screen... and although another can say it's all an illusion and it's vibrations in energy etc and so on... all of it is another way of saying... but as it occurs you read what I type and that is the intention behind this process.

That really doesn't have much to do with the truth though, because truthfulness is not a tangible phenomena is it? There are attributes like authenticity, sincerity, honesty trust and so on.

Truthfulness cultivates trust and I think that's the main thing about truth.

[Internal Queries]

i guess i'm not understanding something. though one may not be able to view the back of ones own eyeball one can indeed recognize a self serving lie from a Self serving truth if one is self honest.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

gee ... i've caught myself lying to myself many times therefore every concept i conjure is suspect. there's self serving and then there's Self serving, if ya get my drift.

it would be a self deception to believe i can't deceive myself. lol if i believed i couldn't deceive myself i surely wouldn't be able to see myself being self deceiving. such a belief would inhibit self honest discovery.

That made me chuckle I.Q. Thanks for that

I would say there Is no myself or yourself . There is only self .

I would say that the self that Is In mind has accumulated via Individuality many mind sets as to what It Is that they are .

Within these Ideas and concepts I would say that conflicts, delusions and deceptions or whatever occur/manifest .

If the self realizes the self then there Is no-one In particular here or there to deceive .

x dazzle x

[sound]

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

i guess i'm not understanding something. though one may not be able to view the back of ones own eyeball one can indeed recognize a self serving lie from a Self serving truth if one is self honest.

Brilliant analogy and the very fact that you can discern the difference reveals a lack of deception ...

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by sound

Brilliant analogy and the very fact that you can discern the difference reveals a lack of deception ...

practice practice practice. lol

night all
xx

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by God-Like

That made me chuckle I.Q. Thanks for that

I would say there Is no myself or yourself . There is only self .

I would say that the self that Is In mind has accumulated via Individuality many mind sets as to what It Is that they are .

Within these Ideas and concepts I would say that conflicts, delusions and deceptions or whatever occur/manifest .

If the self realizes the self then there Is no-one In particular here or there to deceive .

x dazzle x

That is very true in my experience.

Often it can be as simple as misunderstood obligations or misplaced loyalties, etc...it is not always about bolstering the ego per se but removing the clouds from the eyes.

Which is often best done by finding a better view or a new perspective on the situation.

[sound]

Sleep well Mr fella