Lankavatara Sutra Study

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

I try to summarize for you :

All your habit and discrimination of personality is imagination.

Comment : imagination is thought.

Question : how to not be attached to this imagination?

Answer : to let go.. ....be a free man.

Not just imagination.

That would include your Cupid son, the energy you see and the Gods you talk too.

[jonesboy]

False-imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation and not of reality. Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. Even Nirvana and Samsára’s world of life and death are aspects of the same thing, for there is no Nirvana except where is Samsára, and no Samsára except where is Nirvana. All duality is falsely imagined.

Mahamati, you, and all Bodhisattvas should discipline yourselves in the realization and patience acceptance of the truths of the emptiness, un-born-ness, no self-nature-ness, and the non-duality of all things. This teaching is found in all the sutras of all the Buddhas and is presented to meet the varied dispositions of all beings, but it is not the Truth itself. These teachings are only a finger pointing towards Noble Wisdom. They are like a mirage with its springs of water, which the deer take to be real and chase after. So with the teachings in all the sutras: They are intended for the consideration and guidance of the discriminating minds of all people, but they are not the Truth itself, which can only be self-realized within one’s deepest consciousness.

Mahamati, you and all the Bodhisattvas must seek for this inner self-realization of Noble Wisdom, and not be captivated by word teaching.

I find the first paragraph very important.

Any thoughts?

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Not just imagination.

That would include your Cupid son, the energy you see and the Gods you talk too.

That means there's a giant that we're in his big dream or imagination or in his thought. That's the writer imagination is too big and too creative , he's quite a big dreamer. He seems to be better than the Creator but that is only cited as thinking in a box not real and impractical.

I never see the whole world is in an imagination and nothing can convince himself, not also to me. What he thinks is: world can be put in smaller size or he's as big giant the world is in his body. This can only validate in Creator's body but not in other's body. It's just a guesswork.

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

False-imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation and not of reality. Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. Even Nirvana and Samsára’s world of life and death are aspects of the same thing, for there is no Nirvana except where is Samsára, and no Samsára except where is Nirvana. All duality is falsely imagined.

Mahamati, you, and all Bodhisattvas should discipline yourselves in the realization and patience acceptance of the truths of the emptiness, un-born-ness, no self-nature-ness, and the non-duality of all things. This teaching is found in all the sutras of all the Buddhas and is presented to meet the varied dispositions of all beings, but it is not the Truth itself. These teachings are only a finger pointing towards Noble Wisdom. They are like a mirage with its springs of water, which the deer take to be real and chase after. So with the teachings in all the sutras: They are intended for the consideration and guidance of the discriminating minds of all people, but they are not the Truth itself, which can only be self-realized within one’s deepest consciousness.

Mahamati, you and all the Bodhisattvas must seek for this inner self-realization of Noble Wisdom, and not be captivated by word teaching.

I find the first paragraph very important.

Any thoughts?

Summary:The dreamer or imagination created a situations of life: Samsara or nirvana "about which will be materialize later"(this is not clear in the passage).

Question : is this how the samsara and nirvara take place?

Answer and comments: (I doubt about it because he didn't describe in details only said/guess so, if he really knew well he'll wrote more about it).

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

Summary:The dreamer or imagination created a situations of life: Samsara or nirvana "about which will be materialize later"(this is not clear in the passage).

Question : is this how the samsara and nirvara take place?

Answer and comments: (I doubt about it because he didn't describe in details only said/guess so, if he really knew well he'll wrote more about it).

Did you read the rest of the sutra or just my chosen passages for thought?

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Did you read the rest of the sutra or just my chosen passages for thought?

I just read and comment what you post here.

[jonesboy]

The goal is to read each chapter as we go all.

Learn somethings, ask questions etc..

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

False-imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation and not of reality. Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. Even Nirvana and Samsára’s world of life and death are aspects of the same thing, for there is no Nirvana except where is Samsára, and no Samsára except where is Nirvana. All duality is falsely imagined.

Mahamati, you, and all Bodhisattvas should discipline yourselves in the realization and patience acceptance of the truths of the emptiness, un-born-ness, no self-nature-ness, and the non-duality of all things. This teaching is found in all the sutras of all the Buddhas and is presented to meet the varied dispositions of all beings, but it is not the Truth itself. These teachings are only a finger pointing towards Noble Wisdom. They are like a mirage with its springs of water, which the deer take to be real and chase after. So with the teachings in all the sutras: They are intended for the consideration and guidance of the discriminating minds of all people, but they are not the Truth itself, which can only be self-realized within one’s deepest consciousness.

Mahamati, you and all the Bodhisattvas must seek for this inner self-realization of Noble Wisdom, and not be captivated by word teaching.

I find the first paragraph very important.

Any thoughts?

This is really good when thinking about energy. People want to say there is prana, kundalini, Skati.. or Jeng, Qi, Shen.. for instance.. It is only us that as we progress that we find or make up these levels or different aspects of energy.

In truth it is all the same energy..

[jonesboy]

Chapter 3... Right Knowledge or Knowledge of Relations

In the Sutra...

The Blessed One replied: People of this world are dependent in their thinking on one of two things: on the notion of being whereby they take pleasure in realism, or in the notion of non-being whereby they take pleasure in nihilism; in either case they imagine enmancipation where there is no emancipation.

What do you think of this statement? Would you agree with Buddha on the point?

http://buddhasutra.com/files/lankavatara_sutra.htm

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Chapter 3... Right Knowledge or Knowledge of Relations

In the Sutra...

The Blessed One replied: People of this world are dependent in their thinking on one of two things: on the notion of being whereby they take pleasure in realism, or in the notion of non-being whereby they take pleasure in nihilism; in either case they imagine enmancipation where there is no emancipation.

What do you think of this statement? Would you agree with Buddha on the point?

http://buddhasutra.com/files/lankavatara_sutra.htm

"Pleasure in nihilism and realism" or "emancipation or no emancipation" these are happened in your thought that's unreal. It isn't outside our body.