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Old 06-11-2023, 01:55 PM
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11-6-23 …

From all the Laws I have mentioned in any previous post … it could be said … and rightfully so … that the entire path is designed for YoU to discover and adhere to … the Laws of Life … at whatever level you are working … and even if you dismiss this concept … it’s what you are doing anyway.

LIFE … grows. It “prefers” to expand … to move or broaden into the “greater” … the “larger.” That is what it wishes to do … is designed to do.

If it does ANY-thing else in your individual life … YoU have trained it to do so … by misapplication of the principles … or laws.

How?

We each bring an exhaustive number of impressions … tendencies … preferences … into each of our own lives … with our individually specific spin on all of them. From tendencies in attitude to preferences to spicy foods … we’ve lived them all before and have declared partiality to Life … and thus live them. It is impossible *not* to do this.

If these impressions have been of fear, worry, anxiety, confusion, incapability, fatigue, misery, sickness … if they have been despondent, doubtful, negative … then the texture or atmosphere we are weaving for ourselves moment to moment will be from this atmosphere.

If we have navigated from positive, optimistic, capable, strong thoughts … then the teeter-totter will lean in that direction.

What many do not realize is that … even when holding to the more positive leanings … the have tests come anyway … and many times … even more so.

How does anyone gain in any positive stance without their current levels being tested? To gain in strength … you must be tested at your current levels. Is there another way to gain in the virtues?

Eventually … one holds to these positive virtues no matter what … at the same time understanding that it doesn’t matter if one is momentarily rocked off their feet … it’s the recovery that develops. Practice throwing all negative promotions into a mental scrap pile and dismiss … as soon as you can.

This must become a lifestyle. If you neglect this practice for any length of time … it compounds on itself. Pretty soon the floodgates open … and then you have an internal fight on your hands. It’s best to initially stay out of a situation / condition than to have to fight ones way out of it once immersed.

If you choose neglect … the Negative Forces will throw a party in your honor. One one advances to any real extent on the path … the only thing that “watches” you more closely than LIFE … is the Negative Forces. There are entire groups of entities whose sole purpose is to keep one off balance as much as possible. That is not necessarily an attack against you … but is more of assisting you to gain in the various virtues. Again … how else is oe going to develop unless the current limits are tested?

There are many, many times when you will hold to the expedient or the positive out of there determination. The cycle of action *will* turn eventually … and the pressures will relax.

Once again … I am not the individual that designed all of this.

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Old 07-11-2023, 01:49 PM
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11-7-23 …

We are trained to believe as we believe … every moment of the day. There are many that might disagree with this statement … claiming that they are “beyond” standard compliance and some might claim to be without habitual behavior. If one uses their mind and emotions to deal with understanding life around themselves … one lives from habit … whether one wishes to believe that or not. This is *not* a criticism or judgement in any way … it is pointed out here to suggest just how strongly the mind and emotions not only regulate our lives … but protect themselves from being “corrected” into more beneficial patterns … which … yes … would be trying one habit for another.

While we are here in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds it is impossible to not be ruled by habit and pattern. Clearly … the the goal would then be to try and make all habits and patterns beneficial to daily living … leaving as much time as possible to inner work for revision and advancement.

There re those that wish to dismiss “advancement” as a trap … or perhaps as a dead end … and the “answer” is to just … BE. Even in the Pure God Worlds one does not just drift around in aimless “Being.” It takes “organization” to maintain and keep LIFE going … and Soul Itself is the organizer.

To simply dismiss as unimportant or unnecessary perceptions that we do not agree with does not banish their reality.

Finding these areas of apprehension, skepticism, avoidance is a matter of facing Self. All of us live for eons by just contending with what we face daily with little to no thought as to where our perceptions came from or where they might lead. We just … react. The facets of mind and emotions were designed to do just this. The Path includes going through most every possible variance.

It is or great assistance to remember the standard adage … everything comes from something. So … if you have a pattern or perception that “came from something” … there is a viewpoint or belief that sets the pattern into motion. What were you thinking before you came to your decision / conclusion ? Did it just come out of “nowhere” … which simply means it is so habitual that we give little pre-thought as to viewing from that pattern. It is … “subconscious.”

If you can detect these … and learn to sidestep them … you begin to live from the moment … or as many would state … from the “Now” moment … or not regulated by previous beliefs.

This is when and where inner work is so beneficial … because when you can set aside times where you can still the body and focus on what is going on inside … where the patterns “probably” come from … ( you may never know exactly where those very old patterns initially came from ) … what the newer, more beneficial response might be … and you can even view forward and try to guess how the new patterns might play out and even revise to take all of this into consideration … you begin to set up new patterns and viewpoints in understanding and interacting with Life.

Neglect this … and you will simply continue to face the same situations and respond as you “always have” over and over again. No one else can make the changes for you.

LIFE gives you the ability to take the formless … and make It into any form you wish. Look around … what you see is what you have brought to yourselves. No one else has designed your life for you … even though its often difficult to not take responsibility for other putting their demands on you and you ultimately making the choice of one way or the other … or neither.

Within you are doorways within your consciousness … and to keep these doors open is the secret of balance. Many may simply read these words … gather these words … and nod their head in agreement … but relative few will apply. It is human nature to hesitate … and dismiss … because of the nature of change. The human animal tends to look for reasons … to DIS-believe. In that way … they find the excuse to dismiss.

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Old 08-11-2023, 01:42 PM
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11-8-23 …

It is interesting how many ways the human state of consciousness can devise to hide “old” patterns in “new” ways … so they cannot be discerned as old continuing patterns … many times by simply changing the definitions used to understand what is going on within us.

There is certainly a level of validity when claiming that “old patterns” … ( inner child ) … or angry, intolerant, selfish thoughts differ greatly from their opposites … ( frequency / vibration ) … but they are all just giving variations on old patterns of perception. Somehow we find relief in putting a name on it so it’s not really our fault but it is the fault of this variance.

Inner child / frequencies / vibrations / throwing energy into or out of something / past lives reason that I am now what I am / I was born to do this / the devil made me do it / resonance … all variations on discerning, defining, and dealing with habits and patterns of thought

It all comes down to … what are your common perceptions in viewing your own daily life and your understanding of the greater Life as the Whole that it is … to the best of your current level of understanding. LIFE IT-self expands … IT grows.

Once again … the trouble comes in it “growing” into unknown ares or patterns that we have no experience with … and so … we disbelieve and dismiss. This is *not* to be criticized or reprimanded … it is simply to be understood.

Consciousness is One … as discussed widely and elsewhere on this forum board. The trick comes from realizing that this “consciousness” we talk about is *not* all variations gathered together to form one colossal stewpot … but it is the “ability” to focus the power of formlessness into the formed … that is consciousness itself. To design it all into the endless variances we find in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds is simply the end result of our focused attention into the many variations … many are shared by others … and design the world(s) around us.

Perhaps one can better understand consciousness as an endless sea of possibility (formless) … and we take out of it what we wish … for whatever reason we choose … by choosing the form we wish It to take. This … carries consequences … action / reaction … cause / effect … and in this way … we learn to adapt as best we can to what is happening around us.

An old axiom … paraphrasing … the quickest way back to God is to deal with the events of our daily life. It is by our “daily events” that Life nudges us to discover ourselves … on an ongoing and ever-expanding level of learning.

These Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds are the schoolroom. It is here that we learn. We learn by getting caught up in reacting to Life and our reactions lead to consequences. One does not attain the levels of the Pure God Worlds just to escape … learning. There is *always* something more to learn … even in the Pure God Worlds. The vast majority of those that have truly attained the True Home of Soul Itself … by varying names … more often than not continue their current lifetime and then continue to serve the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds in perhaps non-physical ways … by having “one foot in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds” and the other firmly established in the Pure God Worlds.

This is more than possible … it is commonly done.

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Old 09-11-2023, 01:56 PM
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11-9-23 …

There is no such thing as “separation” … this is something mind has devised to muddy the water. You are IN … Life. You cannot separate yourself from it. One might not *share* the same thoughts or beliefs or stances … but that does not separate you from the overall Whole of Life.

This becomes exceptionally critical when we look at our “inner” life verses our “outer” life. It is a foundational principle that … as the inner goes the outer. Just because one can readily make the claim that … “Hey … I didn’t *ask* to get a flat tire … I never even thought about it” … Life is using that scenario to teach you something about yourself. If one considers what even they themselves know they could learn about interacting with Life … they could probably come up with some probabilities of why situations take place.
This is one of the reasons why it is often futile to try and figure out the specifics. If it came from a past life scenario … you may never truly know. So … watch your daily life and contend with your reactions as though they are teaching lessons. Try not to get caught up in the “why do I need to learn this?” … if you are undergoing a series of events or situations that points to a common thread … then accept the probability that you *do* need to learn the prevailing “lesson” … and most probably … there are levels of lessons buried beneath the obvious.

Over-analysis … complicates. New words are devised for old problems. It most always comes back to how YoU react to what happens to you.

If one must make a “separation” out of understanding life … then try to hold to the level of Soul Itself being the “separate watcher” as opposed to what is observed / experienced. Mind will run tricks on you and try to convince you that mind itself has advanced to the point where it can beneficially make such assessments. Mind can indeed be trained to such a level … but … there are levels above these that preclude the levels of Soul Itself.

There are stances, approaches, and actual inner sounds that are experienced in, at, or beyond the Soul Plane itself … whether these sounds re called the Shabda, the Bani, the Celestial Music … or any other designation. Opening one’s spiritual eye and learning to use that precludes a move into the levels hearing the inner sounds. Mind can trick one into believing and imagining the hearing of the sounds … but the actual hearing the inner melodies is captivating … and unmistakable. One unfolds into this ability.

If you are not hearing these inner melodies and hearing the sound(s) that are heard on the Soul Plane Itself … you are most probably working in the mental ares … no matter what your mind is telling you.

There is *nothing* wrong with this. This simply reveals a “next step” or that there is “something more to learn.”

Even the distinction between or among the various Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds bodies and Soul Itself is not a “separation.” Soul wears these bodies as a protection and these bodies are designed by and pertinent only to YoU as an individual aspect of the Whole … not a separate individual in the Whole … but just “one awareness” within the Whole. There are countless others around you all the time.

As I said above … over-analysis … complicates. So does dividing things up / categorizing things. It all works together. Even if you take the entire string section of an orchestra and put it in another building … it is still part of the overall orchestra if the same conductor ( Soul Itself ) is orchestrating both.

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Old 10-11-2023, 01:53 PM
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11-10-23 …

Are there multiple gods / many gods / more than one god?

Well … no … and yes.

The readers that have followed this series for any length of time know that I often speak of a huge difference between the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds and the Pure God Worlds. The Pure God Worlds are the Center of all Existence … out of the Core comes Divine Spirit … brought into existence by the Core Creator God ITSELF. This is an ares of positive forces … for lack of a better word … and is the area of formlessness. There is nothing specific that has been created here … they are worlds of non-specific forces … yet-to-be-manifested-into-anything forces … there are no atoms as we know them to be because that would need a “negative” electron to exist.

There is ONE Center … ONE God here … perhaps by various names.

As this Force moves out and descends / radiates outward … IT slows … and eventually moves out into an area where the negative element is brought into existence by design … motion becomes apparent … radiating out from the etheric to the mental to the causal to the astral and eventually to the physical.

Remembering that EVERY-thing must have a starting point … there must be a focal point for this negative energy … which spawns duality … into existence. It is primarily focused through an entity commonly named Kal Niranjan … and from there … it is further branched into the various gods that the organized religions have used for understanding life here in these Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds.

So any of the organized religions have a “god” that is specific to their religion … and further designates their specific are within the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds as their own … establishing an area for their “heaven” … however that is designed by each religion … further designs the various lower gods … giving them duties, labels, responsibilities, powers, etc.

Most / many of these religions promote a male / female designation … which designates its placement in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds. There is no “male / female” in the Pure God Worlds since these worlds are formless and non-dual.

There is *nothing* wrong with this. These beliefs, religions, philosophies, movements serve the masses on all levels throughout the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds. They clearly help understand and deal with the energies … ( energies now because there is a positive-negative element ) … and the manifesting all form into existence here in these Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds.

All the religions … from the cultures in Asia and Africa … to the Native Americans … to the Muslims, Christianism Hindu’s, Buddhists, and whatever organized religion one can find … has designations and gods that regulate all within their “realm” … so to speak.

Again … there is *nothing* wrong with this. Each group has it’s knowledge to add to the understanding of the Whole. One builds on the other.

So … yes … there are multiple “gods” … according to the varied religions and groups … and are worshipped as “gods” … and rightfully so … because they *are* gods of their specific realm or kingdom.

They are all part of the overall learning process. They are necessary … and each has purpose by design. Each is to be understood … and not dismissed … just as math, writing, history, science, and art should not be dismissed in the schools curriculum.

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Old 10-11-2023, 02:37 PM
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Interesting.I prefer Source to God.

Ps I can't remember where I read it but the phrase "Thou shalt not worship any otherGod" springs to mind.

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Old 11-11-2023, 02:23 PM
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hazada …

Nice touch. Generics play a large part as to what and how I write for the board. ‘God’ still carries quite an impact for many. ‘Source’ is nice … but we’re all a “source” … somewhat. I always use Core Creator God here because it carries the intention of the ‘Center’ of Existence … as opposed to the many “Sources” that play such a huge part in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds. In playing with the word ‘Source’ … you could go with Core Source … or Source Hub … or Center Source … to distinguish one level from the other. ( HeH )

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Old 13-11-2023, 01:59 PM
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11-13-23 …

I would be the very first to admit … Soul is here to learn … from experiences … but that is somewhat of a paradox. It’s an “it is … but it isn’t” scenario. Experiences are somewhat of trap. Knowing the the human viewpoint leans very much towards pleasure … whether material, emotional, or mental … the various facets of society will try to convince you that you need more of … whatever. Business, entertainment, religions, governments, etc … all try to allure the individual according to making them be attracted to their product / viewpoint … or to avoid various viewpoints which will supposedly sidestep struggle and disappointment … which is also level of “pleasure” in the sidestepping of various issues.

So … people can gather experiences like one can gather any collection … just to have “more of” facets or possessions of life here. Social media is great for the interchange of experiences … delighting in the experiences one has had, etc.

This does however lead one into a trap … for putting emphasis on gathering experiences rather than on unfoldment … as few people will try to uncover the true / deeper value of their experiences … the “why” aspect of it.

A fundamental premise of Life is that nothing is of any value unless it helps you unfold … from the lesser into the greater … from whatever “level” you currently live from.

If you currently want to accumulate more “goodies” … or more relationships, clubs, healings, popular fads of the day, etc … you are more focused on the “outer” embellishments than on the meaning behind them … or perhaps catering to pleasure rather than value and depth.

The goal is not experience of itself … but again … what one does with these experiences. The long-term goal is to develop “godlike” qualities of love, wisdom, and discipline. It can further be said that it may not necessarily be what you *do* with them … but what you *learn* from them … that is of importance.

Obviously … this end goal is not really of interest until quite far along on the path. Until then … accumulation is the name of the game.

Eventually one takes more interest in what lessons and qualities are “timeless” … or would apply in a wide variety of experiences and you would use them when necessary … as with more tolerance, patience, courage, discernment, wisdom, etc.

( An interesting tidbit on “wisdom” … it is often said that “wisdom” has more to do with the “wise use” of what you are faced with at the moment … each “now” of life … rather than some storehouse of “supreme” information. )

Most of this is worthless to those who delight in the scenarios of the world … and most people do just that. It is a *long* time before any individual really wants to address life on this level. We might peck away at a pattern or viewpoint every once in a while … but we often just trade in one habit for another. This is the nature of life on and within the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds and is the purpose of it all. There is no criticism here. People are in this schoolroom to learn … and will continue to do so until they are ready to “graduate” … or “get out.”

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Old 14-11-2023, 01:49 PM
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11-14-23 …

I have discussed this before but perhaps a summary post might be useful.

Mind is perhaps the greatest tool Soul Itself has to understand and interact with life around It. A vital distinction of this is that mind is the set of beliefs, perspectives, viewpoints, stances that one holds to … along with their emotional leanings towards them … ( which is attitude ) … and mind is *not* just the use of mental thought. Soul Itself can … and does … use thought as a means of focus … even in the Pure God Worlds … but simply is not locked into detrimental patterns, habits, and beliefs … perhaps simply understood as … limitations. These “keep” one from a more broad, truly spiritual perception and most have to concept of what this might be since most all experiences have to do with the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds … which is physical, emotional, and mental in nature.

Mind itself is not the culprit or “bad guy” in our choices in life. The undisciplined is … running amok … scattered … unfocused … allowed to wander … allowed to gather endless tidbits of information or data whether it is actually useful or not … our attention constantly scattered … we gather options and juggle them constantly. This is the design of the tool … the design of mind itself … and all have to work through it at their own pace. Only the individual can determine if something is working “for or against” themself.

No doubt … we give more confidence to those tidbits that others have found success in. We are more apt to give them a try and see how they apply in our own lives. The existence of consciousness as a greater Whole … as “One” if you prefer … applies to the Pure God Worlds … where there is no negative element and therefore no structure, form, “thing” … but the “composition” of the Pure God Worlds is very identifiable indeed. If you can just play with the concept of “unspecified” or “un-manifested” as a “thing” or “form” … and consider what might be “left” … you can begin to draw distinctions.

The Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds are worlds of form / things / structure … leading to choices and experiences … which we find ourselves engaged in whether we have “planned” for them or not. A schoolroom is a schoolroom. A principle of the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds … again … is that everything has a starting point … a “cause” … a focus by some entity … singular or group … somewhere within the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds themselves … that set the cause into motion … gave it action … gave it metaphysical reality … and from then on … any individual that “runs across” or “shares” in that focused scenario adds to its parameters … widening it … guiding it to apply to more and more individuals as they too mentally perceive it and give it more life … along with any personal “twists” that they might consider handy … and again … on it grows.

The more “detrimental” thought and concepts have more “weight” … so to speak … they are heavier … and prevail over the more refined thoughts, concepts, Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds principles, etc. Look at the world today as more and more focus on anger, greed, power over, control, status, etc. It’s like tuning in a radio station or tuning in to a “cosmic podcast.” The more people engage in them … the more prevalent and more closely they gather around us in invisible “ghost-like” clusters of ideas, thoughts, emotions, etc.

One of the better ways of staying out of these variances is to intentionally put your focused attention where you want it … and keep it there.

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Old 14-11-2023, 03:25 PM
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Here we create our own realities. Choices show us that. We create. I think it ok to talk of mind and choice but do we create that (our own) reality. Everything we see, we created. Are we moving to what real reality is!
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