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05-05-2011, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TzuJanLi
Greetings..
Hi WS: i am humbly honored by your 'judgement', thank you for the kind words..
Be well..
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OK you win.....we all judge..............lol |
05-05-2011, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TzuJanLi
Greetings..
I sense that you do not like my understandings, and you find conflict to be an appropriate response.. i don't experience or conjure "beyonds", there is simply what 'is'.. naming it 'God', is an observable path to conflict, so.. i favor 'isness', a lesser opportunity for conflict.. i speak what i see, and i see you judge me, and.. yes, i judge others, too.. it is what we do, regardless of our protests..
Be well..
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is naming a thing (for identification) a path to conflict? or is it the inevitable misunderstandings of the term used that is? i could name the Divine "bubblegum" and there is no path to conflict in that action, but should i communicate my term to another, there would undoubtedly be conflict arising over the term itself, regardless of MY personal meaning for it, in which case i could accept no fault for any conflict that arose, that would be the "problem/trouble/conflict/action" of another in relation to my chosen term...
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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05-05-2011, 07:29 PM
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Greetings..
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Originally Posted by Shabda
it isnt at all that i dont like your understandings, quite different in fact, all i have done is urge you to seek further than your current understandings...
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Hi Shabda: I am not inclined to 'seek further', rather i am inclined to be sincerely curious.. i study with curiosity what 'is', and.. if it leads to a place you call 'further', i find that i am just 'there', neither further nor nearer..
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05-05-2011, 07:32 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by TzuJanLi
Greetings..
Hi Shabda: I am not inclined to 'seek further', rather i am inclined to be sincerely curious.. i study with curiosity what 'is', and.. if it leads to a place you call 'further', i find that i am just 'there', neither further nor nearer..
Be well..
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same difference, simply different terminology, understanding is a mental value, and therefore, there is always a state "beyond" any current understanding...
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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05-05-2011, 07:39 PM
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Greetings..
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Originally Posted by Shabda
same difference, simply different terminology, understanding is a mental value, and therefore, there is always a state "beyond" any current understanding...
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We have different understandings of understranding.. yeah, i know, and i even thought about it before i typed it.. but, it is what it 'is'..
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05-05-2011, 07:42 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by TzuJanLi
Greetings..
We have different understandings of understranding.. yeah, i know, and i even thought about it before i typed it.. but, it is what it 'is'..
Be well..
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this is true, and shows clearly that there is always yet another step to be taken....in the words of Rumi, Fihi Ma Fihi...
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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05-05-2011, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
is naming a thing (for identification) a path to conflict? or is it the inevitable misunderstandings of the term used that is? i could name the Divine "bubblegum" and there is no path to conflict in that action, but should i communicate my term to another, there would undoubtedly be conflict arising over the term itself, regardless of MY personal meaning for it, in which case i could accept no fault for any conflict that arose, that would be the "problem/trouble/conflict/action" of another in relation to my chosen term...
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The intention of my post is that the term 'God' has already evidenced itself as a source of conflict, further defense of it as a valid description is further advancement of the conflict it has evidenced..
Be well.. |
05-05-2011, 08:09 PM
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Greetings..
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Originally Posted by Shabda
this is true, and shows clearly that there is always yet another step to be taken....in the words of Rumi, Fihi Ma Fihi...
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I take the steps where they take me, with gratitude and sincere curiosity about the place where 'I AM'.. espectially since that 'place' is in constant motion, yet so still and quiet..
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05-05-2011, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TzuJanLi
The intention of my post is that the term 'God' has already evidenced itself as a source of conflict, further defense of it as a valid description is further advancement of the conflict it has evidenced..
Be well..
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im sorry but you cant be right about that, any conflict is in no way the fault of the term, it is inanimate, the perceivers of the potential meanings or assumptions of the meanings of the term are entirely responsible for the conflict that arises over the inanimate term used...
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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05-05-2011, 09:06 PM
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I think we are God or the "source" collectively. There is no magical sky daddy that watches over us, just your higher/God self.
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